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EWRflyr 09-23-2009 01:59 PM

Industry's flight/duty time proposals
 
The link below is from today's ATA SmartBrief in how the industry envisions the flight and duty time limitations going forward.

Airlines want to shorten pilots' days to boost safety after Buffalo and Hudson crashes | Business - cleveland.com - - cleveland.com

The following is a link within that article to a letter sent by the industry to the FAA. It includes recommendations and charts for different combinations.

http://media.cleveland.com/business_...009%201100.pdf

ToiletDuck 09-23-2009 02:09 PM

I'll pass. 9-13hr duty day is junk. I'll take 13 but anything less and there's no telling how impossible my commute would get.

BlueMoon 09-23-2009 02:20 PM

What is the extensions column pertain to in the charts of Appendix 1? If it is what I think it is ( enabling/forcing you to go for 2 additional hours for delays)...hell no.

now you have a 13 hours duty day for a but you can go up to 15? so that is essentially no change.

And screw the 11 hour limit. I can consider 9 but not 11 (especially for 4 legs for 11 hours as the chart shows)

seafeye 09-23-2009 02:21 PM

Watch at 2 hr 19min mark....

http://transportation.house.gov/hear...spx?NewsID=992

Avroman 09-23-2009 02:25 PM

I'd still like to know why cargo and supplemental should be different than standard domestic 121...

ToiletDuck 09-23-2009 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 683052)
I'd still like to know why cargo and supplemental should be different than standard domestic 121...

Bingo. What's the limit 12hrs for a two man crew? I know those Kalitta guys I spoke with once had done some serious flying.

Freightpuppy 09-24-2009 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 683052)
I'd still like to know why cargo and supplemental should be different than standard domestic 121...

Because 2 or 3 lives lost isn't as big of a deal as 150-300 apparently. :rolleyes:

Wheels up 09-24-2009 08:41 AM

Nobody in the FAA or gubment give a crap about supp freight pilots. It's obvious because the FAA allows these s*itbag freight outfits to fly junk around the world with virtually no rest or duty rules.

Twin Wasp 09-24-2009 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 683181)
Bingo. What's the limit 12hrs for a two man crew? I know those Kalitta guys I spoke with once had done some serious flying.

Two pilot's it's still 8 hours. Go international and two pilots and a FE becomes 12 hours and no limit on the duty time till the 1 in 7.

Thedude 09-24-2009 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by Wheels up (Post 683534)
Nobody in the FAA or gubment give a crap about supp freight pilots. It's obvious because the FAA allows these s*itbag freight outfits to fly junk around the world with virtually no rest or duty rules.

Not all supps are freight.


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