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Trogdor 09-24-2009 01:40 PM

I have over 3000 hours in the 1900D and have never had a prop go into ground idle in the flair, except that one time my FO pulled the power levers over the gate into beta, obviously putting the props into ground fine which is even worse. Not saying that this is what you did Cornholio, just giving another perspective.

Now, the props will go into ground idle independently during touchdown in a crosswind. A way to counter this tendancy is to land with the props pulled slightly back, around 1550 RPM (full forward is 1700). This technique can be especially helpful when landing on an icy runway where one prop is in ground idle, while the other is momentarily still in flight idle making for an interesting slide down the runway. Just don't forget to throw those props full forward if you need reverse.

MrBigAir 09-24-2009 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by KingAirPIC (Post 683652)
There is some interesting stuff in there. Thanks! Never heard of a prop going into ground idle in the flare. That would get interesting.

Thanks again!

It happened occasionally where I worked. Not a bid deal, the airplane yaws, maybe you hit a little harder, it's not the end of the world if you know what the pedals on the floor do. It might not be full on ground idle, but the prop disc definitely goes flatter. Its a solenoid that sticks, the name of it isn't coming, it's been a while. A good mechanic can clean it up quick.

TPROP4ever 09-24-2009 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by MrBigAir (Post 683752)
It happened occasionally where I worked. Not a bid deal, the airplane yaws, maybe you hit a little harder, it's not the end of the world if you know what the pedals on the floor do. It might not be full on ground idle, but the prop disc definitely goes flatter. Its a solenoid that sticks, the name of it isn't coming, it's been a while. A good mechanic can clean it up quick.

usually the culprit is the LO-PITCH SOLENOID...

maxjet 09-25-2009 04:44 PM

Have a few thousand hours in the 1900D when they were still pretty new. What a blast to fly!!!! 240 kts on short final and still get off at the first turnoff with a nice landing. Most fun I have ever had flying an aircraft. I am envious of you if you get this job and it pays well. I passed up a position flying a corporate version for great money that even had a potty in place of the coat closet. Been kicking my self since.
Good luck!

beeker 09-25-2009 06:44 PM

The memories from reading this thread have been great.

TPROP4ever 09-25-2009 06:56 PM

I realize I probably wont fly the 1900 for my whole career, but I would not be upset if it worked out that way, awesome airplane....;)

Great Cornholio 09-25-2009 10:48 PM


Originally Posted by Trogdor (Post 683742)
I have over 3000 hours in the 1900D and have never had a prop go into ground idle in the flair, except that one time my FO pulled the power levers over the gate into beta, obviously putting the props into ground fine which is even worse. Not saying that this is what you did Cornholio, just giving another perspective.

I bet that was interesting. A little while before I got hired they had a guy go over the gate with both power levers during the flare (claimed he thought he had touched down) anyways he put both mains thru the wings so the training dept made sure no one would do that again.

It didn't happen often, but it was common enough that most guys would land with just a little bit of power to keep the props "off of the stops" I agree its not the end of the world, but when you are tired and its 445 am and you are landing a repo flight and you've never seen it before it definitely gets your attention. Throw in almost full rudder or bump up the power just a bit and it will straighten right out.

As far as the OP goes if you flew a King Air then the 1900 should just fly the same...(I have no King Air time, but everyone I know that has flown both says they fly the same).

The Dominican 09-25-2009 11:44 PM

Flew 2,600 hours on the 1900D with a charter outfit but ours where decked out, dual autopilots, dual rudder boost, dual GPS coupled to the FD, our had ALTS CAP but did not have VNAV capabilities and get this ours had fully fictional lavatories in the back that took about one third of the cargo bay and the access was in the middle of the isles with a sliding door (the center seat was removed) great airplane and I enjoyed it very much. All of that stuff is optional of course so the best thing would be for you to ask your potential employer how their airplanes are equipped

evilboy 09-26-2009 04:44 AM

"fully fictional lavatories", for when you had to take a phantom leak Dominican...:D

My old time favorite about this a/c, the relay (can't remember name) in the center of the hump, right above the spar, that controlled the flap position. That POS got stuck just about every week in the winter. Learned to do power on flare/landings early on 'cause it liked to fail in the air at flap 0 the most. Will never forget the first time it got stuck after landing while retracting the flaps. It stopped at 20, we pulled up, people get out, MX guy comes out with a long 2x4 and starts wailing at the hump. Suddenly you hear it click and the flaps retract. 0 flaps t/o and ldgs the rest of that day. What a great plane!.

Herb Flemmming 09-26-2009 04:59 AM


Originally Posted by TPROP4ever (Post 683990)
usually the culprit is the LO-PITCH SOLENOID...

We were always cleaning them out they get full of grease and crap and dont energize properly, or at all.

And cant beat those -65's and -67 pratts on the 1900


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