fatigue and ASAP
 

I've heard some airlines are requiring an ASAP report to be filed when calling in fatigued. Apparently a 5am show day one through 3 followed by an after midnight return on day four needs clarification.

Keep in mind that your ASAP reports will be reviewed by a committee that will include an FAA representitive.
Now I'm not saying that this is going to open the FAA's eyes to the egregious scheduling that goes on around the industry, but on the other hand, if it's not reported, then it didn't happen. If your pilot group has any inclination to fight scheduling in general, or a specific pairing in particular, then the more "ammunition" you've got, the better.

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While most view ASAP as a way to "get out of jail free" it is more effectively used as a tool to monitor unsafe trends. You do not have to screw something up (alt or nav deviation etc) in order to fill out an ASAP...even though that is probably the most common use.

I'm not sure if most ASAP programs work exactly the same, but ours has 3 people that review it. A company guy, a union guy, and a fed...if enough ASAPs get filled out for a certain condition (fatiguing scheds, sick call harassment, pressure to fly broken planes, etc) then more than likely your company's FSDO will put some pressure on the company to stop these practices. Also my ASAP program has an option where all you do is check a box and it will send out a NASA form as well. With the NASA form filled out then maybe the attention brought will be on a national level.

While it takes a while to fill out. It more than likely is worth it. I have no idea what the chances are, but ASAP reports may be used to help set up the new guidlines for crew rest and duty times...but at the very least it may cause your FSDO to pressure your company to stop some of the practices that lead to fatigue and pilot pushing.

ASAP reports are turned in to the FAA, this could be a way to encourage people not to call in fatigue as much

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what is everyone's (company) policy on pay & Fatigue calls. XJT is paid out of sick bank I dunno if thats an industry wide thing?

That is what you management wants you to do. And that my friend is called Pilot Pushing. In 5 years at OH, I called in fatigued twice and filed an ASAP both times after I was threatened by a chief pilot the first time that I was going to be disciplined. Fill out the ASAP and that will be the last that you here of it. From you company anyway!

That's not entirely accurate.

ASAP reports are not "turned in" to the FAA, rather they are reviewed by the ASAP ERC (Event Review Committee), which includes reps from the company, union/pilot group and FAA.

If the FAA ERC rep sees a substantial and/or increasing number of fatigue-related ASAPs, he/she can start working with the company & pilot group ERC reps to eliminate the causes of those reports in the interest of improved safety.

Pay for fatigue? LOL

I don't understand what is so funny.

Say a hotel fire alarm goes whacko at 1AM and everyone has to stand outside from then until 2:30AM when the fire department lets them back in, and the crew has a 5AM van to the airport for a flight back to the hub and then a turn following that.

Should the crew really feel a loss of pay for saying, "hey, we'll get back to the hub but we're going to be far too tired to do that turn afterwards because of what happened during the night."

I think they should be paid 100% for it and the sick bank is an appropriate way of doing that.