Republic Airways to Acquire 10 Embraer 190AR
 

I think we all saw this one coming when US announced they are getting rid of their 190 fleet around the same time that RAH announced they were looking to expand with the 190.

New news but I doubt many are shocked.

More bad news for US Airways,

will the branded ones fly as usairways express, next year?

They cannot. First due to the number of seats and size. Secondly, due to the number of large RJ's already in the system that far EXCEED the number allowed based on the agreements between the pilots and the company. Further more, many thought that they would keep these planes in exchange for the pilots allowing the RJ situation to remain at its current state. Now the company is just in clear violation of the contract with nothing to offer to the pilot group to keep from pushing this issue...

I'm a bit confused at the moment. What branded operation are they talking about?

Midwest I believe is what its talking about... I've heard it referred to as branded...

They will be Midwest and Frontier birds.

Why is this in the regional section?:D

i heard a gate agent calling a 190 a regional airplane last week in CLT maybe thats why

RAH has a long term goal, they are about the only regional with a plan it seems. Goodluck to the republic pilots, if it all works out ever RJ pilot will wish he/she would have gone to RAH.

Sad. I had a gate agent tell me we could only take 1 jumpseater the other day. I laughed and looked at the 4 pilots trying to get to work and said I am not leaving without yall.

Gate agents... Ahh don't get me started

Thanks us commuters appreciate that

While I don't entirely disagree with your arguement, we both know this statement is going to raise blood-pressures. I just hope that with all of the growth in the RAH "family," they have some major leverage to ensure a substancial new contract. Doubtful, but I'm hopeful for the sake of the industry.

I don't even work for RAH, I work for their toughest competitor. It just seems to be that RAH is betting it all that their branded midwest/frontier thing will work. Imagine having gotten a job their in 2004 flying one of their something like 20 erj 140s they had and 5 years later making near 100k flying a 100 seat plane, they could end up being the next jetblue.

$100k for 100 seats! What a joke! I don't usually pipe up on these forums, but jet blue captains are making a lot more than 100K a year on the 190. We have plenty of captains at my airline flying 50 seaters making 100k a year. And there are plenty making more than that. Sorry, but its annoying to me to see people say that they would be happy making mediocor wages flying these airplanes!

Because they will be flown at regional pay...

Look at your next paycheck, think that will explain it??

Unless J.A. has plans to buy 190's and Airbuses, Skywest is not even in the same league anymore. Just a realistic observation.

I know. RAH is pretty much an LCC now

my paycheck is alot better than what it would be if i had stayed at your company

Because of the tiny amount of money they are paying you to fly it- THAT'S WHY. Are you smiling because your company is ruining this career for the rest of us? Or because you are too selfish to care?

What are you talking about!?! I will be making almost $30K this year. Besides, I don't do it for the money I do it for the love of flying ;)

Says the guy flying the E175 at Compass, which has FO rates marginally better than those in the 6+ year old contract RAH pilots are working under and CA rates that are 5%+ lower than RAH?

Wow, how ignorant are you?

Maybe thats the problem,people assuming we would all be HAPPY,or feel "grateful" flying a 100 seat airplane for 80,000 grand a year in the left seat, and what........40,000.00 a year in the right seat

sad sad sad

Do me a favor and go look up Northwest DC-9 Payrates back in the 90's........... now take into consideration inflation, then come back here and tell me how i wish I was flying the 190......

Not good for Airways, but good for the soon to be combined RAH companies. With pilots on furlough from F9, YX and Republic, adding airplanes to the branded operation is good. Its very good news.

Now if the combined pilot groups can stand together, ditch this high school union and hammer out a very nice contract - the 190's are going to be a great thing here.

Failing on a successful merger, failing to overthrow a weak and worthless union and failing to force the company into industry standard (if not leading) wages on the 190 - will be a complete failure.

while you are at it look at what southwest was paying back then so you can clearly identify this downward spiral.

So when did I say Compass does not belong in the regional section? I am against our company getting more aircraft. I am in favor of our flying being moved to mainline. And I know if our company was purchasing 190's, it would not be for the better of our profession (thank god we are not). But thank you for reminding everyone that even with our joke of a lousy contract, all of our new hires and FO's still make more than yours. We already know your airline is in a contest to who can back-peddle the fastest, you did not have to point it out again.

I hope you can get over the ego and begin to better the profession for everyone with a little more unity.

Gear up. A true Republic pilot.

I don't work for RAH...or any regional airline for that matter; nor do I have any "ego".

I do, however, get a chuckle out of the blatant hypocrisy of some people who make it a sport to throw stones at RAH when they themselves are living in the smallest of glass houses.

All this talk on APC about "bettering the profession" and "having more unity" and "raising the bar" surrounded by frequent blasting of RAH pilots for the sin of operating under a 6+ year old contract would be quite funny if it weren't so damn stupid and immature.

When did 80k a year stop being a lot of money? One can live very comfortably on that if they choose to. That being said, where does one draw the line. What is the formula for determining what YOU are worth or what payrate an airplane should command? Why aren't you worth $500,000? I think I am worth $1,000,000 to fly my Citation, but thats not what my company is willing to pay me. My only choice then is to evaluate their offer and see if it meets my needs. If it doesn't, I can choose to adjust my standard of living or go elsewhere. The pay rates at the regional level are not new and most people on here complaining now signed up for the very same rates when they were hired within the last few years. Fight for what you are worth, just know how to define "worth".

Additionally, I am all for pilots making the most they can, but comparing todays pay rates to those of a different period in aviation is not really the way to go. It's like the housing market...in most places, a house you bought 4 years ago is worth less today, even though inflation is still rampant. You can say your house is worth 1 million because that is what you paid for it 5 years ago, but if the market only commands 500,000 today, then guess what it is really worth. An item is only worth what people will pay for it combined with what the seller will accept, and past performance really doesn't matter much in most cases.

That's a great question. I think a lot of the guys posting here are relatively new to the industry. SJS combined with a deranged sense of entitlement is an obvious ailment with many posters on this page. I'm not defending RAH or the course of the industry right now, but you have to laugh about a kid dissapointed about making $100,000 year, when only afew years ago he was more concerned about the prom.

First of all, you have to realize that the 190's are NOT going to be flown under a code share, they will be implemented into the Frontier/Midwest system. They are not being used against the Airbus, they are being used to grow the operation. We also have more Airbus scheduled for delivery.

So lets make a CLEAR definition here that Frontier and Midwest are Republic brands. On that side of the operation, we are not a Regional airline, we are a Major. As long as the 190's go to the Major operation, I'm OK with that provided we get industry leading wages on them (they are planning major growth for Frontier/Midwest with Airbus AND 190's).

The 190's are not "being flown by a Regional". The current pay rate is ridiculous, but these 190's will not be operated by anybody but pilots of RAH (includes F9, YX etc) under no brand other than Frontier and Midwest.

You can argue all you want about how a "Regional" has 190's, but this "Regional" now has Airbus AND 190's. I fly on the "regional" side of the 170 house, but I see these 190's as being an opportunity to get YX pilots back to work. They might not make what they were before - AT FIRST - but, we can all fight to change that. These 190's should be flown by our mainline pilots.

The way you wrote that made me laugh pretty good lol.

On a side note don't forget that currently there are no payrates for the 190. There are payrates for the other aircraft they are using for the 190. We haven't established rates yet and it is being grieved. They tried this once when the crjs came on property and lost. I can't imagine them not losing again. So just give it a little time:)

Jet Blue 1st year F/O 190 = 47/hr: 2nd year 62/hr.
Republic 1st year F/O 190 = 23/hr: 2nd year 31/hr.

Please tell me I am wrong with these figures. (I got em from APC). Or at least Republic has better rates coming. Please prove me wrong.!!

once again the republic rates were negotiated before the 170 and 190 were even built

Why don't you look and compare CA rates for Republic's 175 vs Comair, Compass, and Mesa's CRJ-900 and E-175 rates. Looks like Republic has set the bar higher in the past, maybe they will in the future? Looking forward to the "blame game" moving on to another carrier, peace!

Jetblue pilots had the opportunity to negotiate a CBA based on the Embraer 190.

Republic has a CBA that was based on a 145, modified to quickly accomodate the 170, and modified again to accomodate the 175. Those modifications, while horrible on the FO side, are actually pretty well above the industry standard in those seats.

We are due (and its on the table) a new CBA, to reflect not only the 145, 170/175/190 AND Airbus, but also reflect the changes in company size and growth.

Trust me, we're due for some major pay increases and major QOL increases. Any tool who thinks we shouldn't walk off the job to get what we deserve, needs a reality check with a Midwest pilot. Bedford and company have spent the last year proving how much money they have...now its OUR turn to collect some pay dirt.

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I can tell you right now as a republic employee the new contract won't be any good for the pilot group. It will be small RJ pay for 100 seat flying. The company's position will be the economy is awful take what you get and get over it.

As far as the F9 and midwest guys go be careful of the forked tongue liars from INDY.

Don't drink the Cool-Aid!!!

I have heard they are telling the different pilot groups different answers to the same questions!!!

It's my understanding that your union has not even started to file a grievence on this issue. Please tell me I'm wrong.