Patience is a virtue
#1
Patience is a virtue
Plane Answers: Is there a pilot shortage coming? | Gadling.com
For anyone that can hang on a few years and for those newbies just starting out, this guy's viewpoint (nothing we don't really know already), is something positive.
For anyone that can hang on a few years and for those newbies just starting out, this guy's viewpoint (nothing we don't really know already), is something positive.
#2
There is certainly some basis for his numbers, but he is only addressing the demand side of the equation. You have to consider the supply side also...the flight colleges and puppy mills will still be doing their best to create five newly minted commercial pilots for every realistic projected job opening in the next thirty years.
Unless the pool of applicants to the puppy mills dries up, there will never be a real pilot shortage.
The ATP requirement is about the only thing which could make a real dent in the entry-level pool, but that is already being watered down by the allowance to substitute ground school for for flight time!
Unless the pool of applicants to the puppy mills dries up, there will never be a real pilot shortage.
The ATP requirement is about the only thing which could make a real dent in the entry-level pool, but that is already being watered down by the allowance to substitute ground school for for flight time!
#3
There is no pilot shortage.
There will be no pilot shortage.
There are *plenty* of "qualified" pilots who are unwilling to work for the compensation & lifestyle the airlines currently offer, and plenty more who are unemployed/underemployed and will be some of the first hired whenever a recovery happens.
THE SKY IS NOT FALLING.
Kit Darby & Co. have been selling this bill of goods for decades now...
There will be no pilot shortage.
There are *plenty* of "qualified" pilots who are unwilling to work for the compensation & lifestyle the airlines currently offer, and plenty more who are unemployed/underemployed and will be some of the first hired whenever a recovery happens.
THE SKY IS NOT FALLING.
Kit Darby & Co. have been selling this bill of goods for decades now...
#4
There is certainly some basis for his numbers, but he is only addressing the demand side of the equation. You have to consider the supply side also...the flight colleges and puppy mills will still be doing their best to create five newly minted commercial pilots for every realistic projected job opening in the next thirty years.
Unless the pool of applicants to the puppy mills dries up, there will never be a real pilot shortage.
Unless the pool of applicants to the puppy mills dries up, there will never be a real pilot shortage.
Are most of these schools self financing? I know that many of the loan underwriters are done writing aviation training loans for a while. Perhaps, this will put a dent in the mill output.
#6
There is no pilot shortage.
There will be no pilot shortage.
There are *plenty* of "qualified" pilots who are unwilling to work for the compensation & lifestyle the airlines currently offer, and plenty more who are unemployed/underemployed and will be some of the first hired whenever a recovery happens.
There will be no pilot shortage.
There are *plenty* of "qualified" pilots who are unwilling to work for the compensation & lifestyle the airlines currently offer, and plenty more who are unemployed/underemployed and will be some of the first hired whenever a recovery happens.
#7
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I agree . . . No pilot shortage
I tend to agree that there will not be a pilot shortage at any legacy carrier in the near or far future.
As retirements increase at the legacy carriers I believe they will simply downsize their fleets accordingly, while continuing to outsource that flying to lower cost regional affiliates. There may be cyclical shortages at the regional level as companies will continue to need pilots willing to fly for regional wages and benefits. For example, McDonald's will always be hiring. Same for the bottom rung of the 121 airline ladder.
Just my opinion, but this will continue until the remaining core of the legacy air carrier business is international and a few select, profitable long-haul domestic routes.
For those of us who currently fly for a regional, I hope we like it. Because this is most likely where we will retire our careers, if we choose to remain in this industry. The reality is the 21st century airline business is very different than the 20th century airline business and it will never go back.
No sense moaning and complaining about it, just deal with it or don't deal with it. Lots of ways to make a buck in this life.
As retirements increase at the legacy carriers I believe they will simply downsize their fleets accordingly, while continuing to outsource that flying to lower cost regional affiliates. There may be cyclical shortages at the regional level as companies will continue to need pilots willing to fly for regional wages and benefits. For example, McDonald's will always be hiring. Same for the bottom rung of the 121 airline ladder.
Just my opinion, but this will continue until the remaining core of the legacy air carrier business is international and a few select, profitable long-haul domestic routes.
For those of us who currently fly for a regional, I hope we like it. Because this is most likely where we will retire our careers, if we choose to remain in this industry. The reality is the 21st century airline business is very different than the 20th century airline business and it will never go back.
No sense moaning and complaining about it, just deal with it or don't deal with it. Lots of ways to make a buck in this life.
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There is no pilot shortage.
There will be no pilot shortage.
There are *plenty* of "qualified" pilots who are unwilling to work for the compensation & lifestyle the airlines currently offer, and plenty more who are unemployed/underemployed and will be some of the first hired whenever a recovery happens.
THE SKY IS NOT FALLING.
Kit Darby & Co. have been selling this bill of goods for decades now...
There will be no pilot shortage.
There are *plenty* of "qualified" pilots who are unwilling to work for the compensation & lifestyle the airlines currently offer, and plenty more who are unemployed/underemployed and will be some of the first hired whenever a recovery happens.
THE SKY IS NOT FALLING.
Kit Darby & Co. have been selling this bill of goods for decades now...
BoilerUP, we agree. Great posting.
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If you are a new person or a current student not knowing if you want to pursue this career, in that article just replace airline pilot with bus driver. That should give you a better perspective. No mention there of the deteriorating conditions on the average pilot and why there will be a shortage in the first place, it's just a job. Notice I didn't say career.
Last edited by AirWillie; 10-19-2009 at 02:17 PM.