Most junior pilots at your airline
 

Now that across the industry, hiring has stopped, upgrading has stopped, and furloughs / displacements have happened.... at your airline, whats the current most junior FO and CA's date of hire? (and, if you know, their equip/base)

At ASA it is Nov 2007, and base is ATL.

Pinnacle's last classes started in Sept. 08. I believe the actual hire date was in Nov. 08.

PSA Jan 2008 (TYS)

Junior at Mesa:

Now: 1/08 Hire (DHC-8/DEN)

Effective Jan 1: 08/07 Hire (CRJ/ORD)

Junior CA: 07/05 Hire (DHC-8/DEN)

After the lastest round of furloughs and downgrades in January coming up at Comair:

Most junior FO DOH:
09/2006, CRJ-JFK.

Most junior CA DOH:
12/2000, CRJ-JFK.
10/1999, CRJ-CVG.
02/2000, CR7/9-CVG.

319 on the street... more to come.

Piedmont
Capt 7/04
F/O 11/07

after the nov 1st furloughs
71 on the street

SkyWest

CRJ:
CA: 07/06
FO: 03/08

EMB:
CA: 04/07
FO: 06/08

ZERO Furloughs

Skywest


ZERO Furloughs


ZERO Health Insurance


ZERO Union

Organize and you'll have it. I can't believe you guys are putting up with that.

I'm pretty interested in this data, can we keep the thread on track please guys?

ALASKA:

As of 01OCT09

NOV07 -- ANC FO

106 on furlough.

very interesting first post.....

ExpressJet:

Most Junior FO: April 2007 / EWR

Most Junior CA: March 2005 / EWR


335 left on Furlough

Mesaba:

Most Junior FO: Dec 2008 (Soon to be Oct 2008, upon Nov. 1st furloughs)
Most Junior CA: July 2007 (Thanks to 405PA for the correction)

DL:

Most junior FO- 4/08
0 furloughs

Most junior CA- 7/00 (NYC M88)

Eagle:

Jr Prop CA: May 2000
Jr Jet CA: Feb 2000

Jr FO: Mar 2008

71 on Furlough

(New vacancy bid due out in the next few days, Jr CA spots might improve by a few months.)

I am 1 of 10 in Colgan's August, 2009 class.

never mind repost

Cape Air

402:
CA: 06/09
FO: 09/09

ATR:
CA: 07/06
FO: 10/08

No furloughs, just lots of 121 furloughees. :D

So sad.....

Did I just read that right??? wait...... REALLY?!? :eek:
That can't be right....

I REALLY hope someone says this isn't true....

I don't know...since I'm not at SkyWest. But I'd venture to say they have health insurance.....just no payroll deductions.
At least I hope that's the case. Otherwise, that's just atrocious.

I'm sorry is Skywest not in two years time canceling health care for employees and going to a flex spending account? I must have heard wrong my apologies.

Ya, CAL-ALPA did wonders for its new hires - ZERO health care, regional work rules, and regional pay plus we get to pay union dues.

In two years Skywest Employees are going to be forced into the CDHP/HSA (Consumer-Driven Health Plan) (Health Savings Account). NOT an FSA. They are doing away with HMOs and PPOs. It's a lot to explain here but it's insurance with a high annual deductible ($2400) and low premiums ($54/check for family). Good if you don't go to the doctor much, bad if you do. Most don't like the option but it is insurance.

Actually its 07/02/07. Its already back that far.:(

I stand corrected. Ouch. :(

RAH

Junior FO: 2/4/08
Junior Captain: not really sure but sometime in 2006

I believe we have 106 furloughs. Forgive me if I am wrong as I don't have the exact number in front of me.

Tsa
 

TSA

Junior CA DOH: 04/2004
Junior FO DOH: 05/2007

Not sure how many furloughs, I think its around 150

Yup it's ugly and this next (batch of 13 Saabs) will probably push it all the way back to pre bankruptcy 2004 Captains, maybe a few reserve MEM capts may be 2007ers but even that won't last long.... Heck as things look now, within about a year or so it will require pre-bankruptcy hiring to even have a job here....

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I'm not sure where you get the info from, but we really have no idea what's going to happen. I have been told by many people here and at DAL/NWA, that the plan is to keep on painting the Saabs till they get 26 of them done. The plan is to take a look at load and capacity demand next summer to determine if more airplanes will go...we don't know anything yet. Alot of it has to do with the economy turning around and if people want to go on vacation. When DAL and NWA have a single operating certificate we will know alot more. The writing may be on the wall, but so many things have happened post bankrupcy at XJ, it's unfair to assume whats going to happen longterm here.

I believe that HSA are great and should be an option for all employees in addition to standard health plan.

As a single guy I would pay $30 a month on a high deductible health plan vs the $150 I pay now. Thats $1440 a year less. My single deductible is $1200 so as long as I do not get sick more than once every 10 months, I come out ahead.


Max out of pocket is $4750 after deductible so even if both my legs fell off I would only be about $4750.

The trick is to have the company contribute to the HSA instead of paying your health care costs. This is something to be worked out at the table when working on a CBA. It would actually save the company money.

Many mainline pilots who make more use HSA as an extra 401(k) when they max out their 401(k) yearly contribution

Allegiant:

Junior FO will be 9/2009

Junior CA is 4/2007

Not like it makes much difference, but with the 4 re-upgrades and 8 recalls (I think the number of terminations and resignations still technically puts the total number of pilots at a loss compared to right after the last furlough)

Junior CA DOH 05/2004 IAD
Junior FO DOH 05/2007 IAD

STL
Jr CA 01/2003
Jr FO 03/2007

RIC

Jr CA 04/2004
Jr FO 04/2007

Quick math shows about 132 on the street.

Horizon:

Junior CA: 9/2000
Junior FO: 11/2006

AA:

Junior CA 10/91 (LGA MD80)
Junior FO 6/01 (split between MIA, LGA, BOS and DCA)

1889 still on furlough

These numbers never cease to amaze me. :(. Does anyone think they'll even hire in the next 10 years?

Yes. As long as the keep the same size fleet the retirements are bound to kick in and AA has one of the older seniority lists. Average age I heard was mid 50's.