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Old 10-21-2009 | 04:08 PM
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Who didn't see that one coming !!!! For the very survival of SkyWest (in it's current form) they have to keep UAL going, whether a cash handout, "investment", buy out, etc.
Yep and time will tell just how far SKW will go.
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Old 10-21-2009 | 04:10 PM
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SkyWest knows if UA fails they go with them. They're sitting on all that cash at the moment so the best thing to do is to keep UA propped up until things improve. In the meantime the investment will give SKW and edge on securing contracts (a la AWAC) and get them a say on any bankruptcy hearings.

Worst case scenario UA goes tango-uniform in which case it really doesn't matter how much SKW has stashed away in the bank.
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Old 10-21-2009 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
It's United..........they don't care about what makes good business sense [fifty seat regional jets]. They only care about screwing their own labor groups.
I remember at a meeting with Jerry/Chip that UAL actually liked the 50 seaters in some markets, 'cuz they made sense. Sending in a 70, or 90, or 110, or whatever machine that has lower per seat cost doesn't make sense if the plane isn't mostly full.

It's still cheaper to have 40 pax in a 50 seat CRJ, than 40 pax in a E-175 or B737. Some of those pax want to get on a big bird to somewhere on a ticket that cost beau coup bucks. If UAL doesn't provide it, somebody no doubt will.
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Old 10-21-2009 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
I remember at a meeting with Jerry/Chip that UAL actually liked the 50 seaters in some markets, 'cuz they made sense. Sending in a 70, or 90, or 110, or whatever machine that has lower per seat cost doesn't make sense if the plane isn't mostly full.

It's still cheaper to have 40 pax in a 50 seat CRJ, than 40 pax in a E-175 or B737. Some of those pax want to get on a big bird to somewhere on a ticket that cost beau coup bucks. If UAL doesn't provide it, somebody no doubt will.
I wasn't just talking about 50 seat flying and in many markets they make sense.
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Old 10-21-2009 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
I can't remember, but wasn't that flying restricted to the SPECIFIC tail numbers of the AVRO? Thought I saw that on a commute one time.
Sort of...but not really.

Originally Posted by UAL ALPA Scope Section
1-C-1-d Number of Block Hours of Feeder Flying
In each calendar year, the number of scheduled block
hours of Feeder Flying may not exceed the number of
scheduled block hours of Company Flying.

1-C-1-f Feeder Carrier Operation of Small Jets Larger than 50 Seats (jets for jobs)
A Feeder Carrier may perform Feeder Flying operating
Small Jets with a certificated seating capacity in excess of
fifty (50) seats if it also provides job opportunities to
furloughed United Pilots in accordance with Letter of
Agreement 03-22.

1-K-10 "Feeder Carrier" means a Domestic Air Carrier that,
when engaged in code sharing with the Company:
1-K-10-a Does not operate any aircraft that utilizes an
engine with an external propeller ("Turbo/Prop Aircraft")
other than Turbo/Prop Aircraft that are certificated for
seventy-eight (78) or fewer seats and have a maximum
permitted gross takeoff weight of less than seventy-five
thousand (75,000) pounds; and
1-K-10-b Does not operate any aircraft that utilizes a
turbine-driven engine without an external propeller ("Jet
Aircraft"), other than Small Jets.

1-K-22 "Small Jets" means (a) Jet Aircraft that are
certificated in the United States of America for seventy (70)
or fewer seats and a maximum permitted gross takeoff weight
of less than eighty thousand (80,000) pounds and (b) up to
eighteen (18) specific aircraft with certificated seating
capacity in excess of seventy (70) seats operated by Feeder
Carrier Air Wisconsin Airlines Corp. ("AWAC"). These
eighteen aircraft are identified as the "AWAC Quota".
Currently, the AWAC Quota is filled by BAe-146 aircraft with
the following tail numbers: N463AP, N179US, N181US,
N183US, N606AW, N607AW, N608AW, N609AW, N610AW,
N611AW, N612AW, N614AW, N615AW, N616AW, N290UE,
N291UE, N292UE, and N156TR. AWAC may replace any
aircraft within the AWAC Quota with
: (i) any other BAe-146 or
AVRO 85 aircraft each with no more passenger seats than
were carried in the actual operation of the replaced aircraft,
or (ii) any other aircraft with a maximum certificated seating
capacity in the United States of eighty-five (85) seats and a
maximum certificated gross takeoff weight in the United
States of up to ninety thousand (90,000) pounds.
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Old 10-21-2009 | 05:49 PM
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Reading that gave me a headache.

I can guarantee that the lawyers that wrote got paid A LOT more than the pilots it affects. And that would be before their first concession.
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Old 10-21-2009 | 06:10 PM
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I'm pretty sure (but not 100% sure) that language is from UAL ALPA's post-BK contract.
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Old 10-22-2009 | 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
I'm pretty sure (but not 100% sure) that language is from UAL ALPA's post-BK contract.
I'm pretty sure I remember reading it on a commute when they were taking one of the concessions during BK. But like I said, can't remember if that was the first or second concession.

I don't think they've a contract since exiting BK, have they? I though it was just LOA's, like when they were able to get pay protection for the narrow body fleets, etc.
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Old 10-22-2009 | 05:49 AM
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I've been informed by a senior UAL pilot the aforementioned "AWAC quota" language is still in place and in force in UAL ALPA's current CBA.
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Old 10-22-2009 | 09:45 AM
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The "loan" from SKYW will never have to be repaid by UAL. Seeing as how the amount is not that great. I am guessing this was UAL's estimate of the amount of monetary penalties that ASA would pile up for lack of performance in the new UAX operation.

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