DMEarc

Congrats to XJT, first off.

Time to play devils advocate.

ExpressJet guys are always in a hurry to slam anyone for undercutting them- CHQ, CJC, and UCA.

But-

Can you guys defend how your concessionary contract undercut AWAC (who is also operating under a concessionary contract)?

Newarkblows, Clocks? Biggest whiners on the board...lets hear it.

NightIP

Oh heeeeere we go. Resident "XJT stole my flying" guy.

CaptKrunch

Isn't there another thread on APC about how AWAC MGT came to the pilots and told them to get the UAL flying they would need to take a 16% pay cut. Well here is the truth, if you turn it down someone else will take it. It is simple as that.
News flash AWAC is operating under a concessionary contract......SO IS EVERYONE ELSE. And when it comes down to it AWAC's concessionary contract is pretty good compared to others.
If your going to get picky then I would have to say AWAC STOLE their flying from PSA, who stole it from Mainline.
Lets just leave it at EVERYONE stole EVERYONE ELSES FLYING
Just put your head down do your job and don't worry about what bobby is doing in his CRJ/ERJ/DASH/SAAB.........

AirWillie

Most likely but it was necessary for them You can't blame management they're already losing money on airplanes. Best of luck to Expressjet pilots and hopefully this can actually bring some of the furloughed back so there's movement out there. Still, Expressjet will be flying this at a loss which is not good for anyone except UA. There is no way they can underbid TSA, it's an impossibility. TSA has at least 20-30% cheaper operating costs. That is why UA signed them on after TSA said no and after AWAC refused to take pay cuts for the flying. Obviously nothing wrong with this, better use of idling airplanes and pilots but to say that Expressjet is a beacon of hope over all others is not very realistic considering the latest fad for regionals it pay to play for new flying.

As far as TSA, I never believed they would get this flying. This was WAY too big for TSA, the usual big time heavy event at TSA is when they're able to borrow 1 or 2 airplanes from another regional for the summer.

Clocks

There's a difference between one company undercutting another with better efficiency, aircraft usage, accepting lower profit margins, etc...and one pilot group undercutting another with lower wages, contracts, QOL, etc.

I don't know how xjt mgmt managed to spin the books to make this into a good deal, and I don't care. I know xjet's pilot pay is untouched by this and the xjt concessionary pay/contract are very competitive with awacs concessionary pay/contracts.

As others have stated, and i agree with, xjet getting flying is only the "best of the bad options". The only good option is mainline getting the flying, but its not going to happen, ever, under any circumstances.

Blackbird

I don't fly for XJT but I hope you all received the ground contract out of IAD too.. Lets face it CJC, CHQ, UCA and XJT will all agree AWAC ground crew sucks balls. I'm tired of getting in trouble b/c of those guys.

The Juice

It is a valid question for those few who love to point at others but never at themselves.

I do not directly have a dog in this fight (mesa, XJET, or AirWisc) but some people on here do live the double standard.

Flying shifted from XJet to Colgan = Bad?
Flying shifted to XJet instead of Air Wisc is Good? Even though AirWiskey would not give more concessions to secure the flying?

If Newarkblows truly cares about the profession he would have wanted this flying to go to the airline who would refuse to take further concessions to secure flying (AirWiskey).


But whatever...I'm going to get drunk and play Call of Duty

AirWillie

What are these bad options? AWAC? TSA? Please explain.

JoeyMeatballs

Is this 100% accurate that AWAC management came to the MEC to ask for paycuts to get this flying?

I gotta tell you I have known for a while that there was a VERY VERY VERY VERY good chance that we were going to get this flying.........

Clocks

TSA, Mesa, Colgan

AWAC and Xjet = "best"
Did xjet take concessions to secure this flying?