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TBucket 11-19-2009 06:45 PM

International Jumpseating on Xjet
 
Is it true that you cannot jumpseat internationally as an OAL pilot on Expressjet anymore? Despite having done it numerous times in the past, I was told today in IAH that "You can't do that". After taking it to several "redcoats" the operations people even printed me some sort of document that says OAL pilots can't jumpseat internationally. (THey even claimed mainline CO cannot jumpseat internationally on xjt)

Is this just a thing with the IAH station or a policy change for the entire airline?

Bloodhound 11-19-2009 06:55 PM

I'll be honest... I don't remember. The last I remember OAL could not occupy the actualy JS for international flights but could sit in a cabin seat if one were available. But I don't know if it changed either way.

Intl Jumper 11-19-2009 09:31 PM

Im waving the BS flag. I used to commute home to MMMY via IAH weekly. They told me we couldn't do it some times. Ask them to print out the jumpseat guidance. It specifically states you cannot ride back in to the US jumpseating in the back. The example on the guidance is from mexico to the US. If you read after where it says OAL pilots are prohibited from jumpseating it states from outside the us back in. Hope this helps..

Chente 11-19-2009 11:37 PM


Originally Posted by Intl Jumper (Post 714645)
Im waving the BS flag. I used to commute home to MMMY via IAH weekly. They told me we couldn't do it some times. Ask them to print out the jumpseat guidance. It specifically states you cannot ride back in to the US jumpseating in the back. The example on the guidance is from mexico to the US. If you read after where it says OAL pilots are prohibited from jumpseating it states from outside the us back in. Hope this helps..

It's true! I tried Jumpseating out of IAH to Mexico for a buddies Bachelor Party and I could not do it! They had just changed the policy and it sounded like no Offline jumpseaters (Even in the cabin) could not use the "Jumpseat" priviledge. Cannot be done unfortunately. Retarded...needs to be changed.

I meant its true it CANNOT be done. They can print it out all they want, it says clear as day (The Red Coat showed me) INTERNATIONAL....says nothing about "Back into the USA"....all it states is "INTERNATIONAL Jumpseating by an offline Pilot cannot be done"....The problem is they cant even put our name into the system.

astrojet 11-20-2009 01:25 AM

it's not a xjet thing...it's an old TSA policy carry over from 9-11, with CASS and CREW-PASS there is no good reason...at least on USA originating flights, why this has not been overruled. you can J/S on an international flight, but you may not sit in the cockpit....

Chente 11-20-2009 02:21 AM


Originally Posted by astrojet (Post 714668)
it's not a xjet thing...it's an old TSA policy carry over from 9-11, with CASS and CREW-PASS there is no good reason...at least on USA originating flights, why this has not been overruled. you can J/S on an international flight, but you may not sit in the cockpit....


You are 100% CORRECT...except for the fact that Xjet doesn't let you sit in the cabin either....I understand the not sitting in the cockpit, but Xjet wont even let you sit in the cabin with 30 seats open.

crewdawg52 11-20-2009 02:54 AM

The TSA sets the rules and policies of International JSing. It's up to the company if they want to follow them, or make them more restrictive. And its a shame that some companies do make them more restrictive.

Chente 11-20-2009 03:52 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg52 (Post 714673)
The TSA sets the rules and policies of International JSing. It's up to the company if they want to follow them, or make them more restrictive. And its a shame that some companies do make them more restrictive.


Yep....well said. The TSA is a joke IMO. Complete joke of an "Agency".

TBucket 11-20-2009 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by Chente (Post 714670)
You are 100% CORRECT...except for the fact that Xjet doesn't let you sit in the cabin either....I understand the not sitting in the cockpit, but Xjet wont even let you sit in the cabin with 30 seats open.


Yeah, the problem was that they said not even in the cabin... They said this despite the fact that I have ridden into and out of the US on xjet from other stations. I was just wondering if it was only IAH that has it messed up, or if I somehow got really lucky... (EWR had no problem getting me on the paperwork and onto the plane international).

aa73 11-20-2009 10:13 AM

XJET goes international?

How did the CAL pilots let that happen.. Scope? What's next, caribbean, south america?

The downward spiral continues....


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