I would take in a heartbeat that grizzled 5000hr freight dog over the 500hr wizard when the shiit hits the fan.

wow, i was just jokin' but it did turn into one of these threads. geez.

Yea, my apologies. bAAck on track with your regularly scheduled programming...

So does everyone have their login info(from the ALPA email) for the ALPA teleconference tomorrow(11/24) at 11am CST? It should be a good one and I am hoping they shed some light on the vacancy bid as well.

oh what? how did taylor swift get on my playlist! :)

Too busy stuffin your backpack with hair gel.

Im not one of those... maybe you're upset because your hair is thinning!;)

I just grabbed my popcorn....looks like the show has just began! Keep throwin em punches fellas.

Yea, hope you choke on your Orville Redenbacher popcorn you old a** Captain! Get out of my seat! ;)

Your theory works realy well for FO's and I agree with you on that point. But what is going to happen when/if the descions lie with them? They have never been tested never been put in a situation where the safety of flight depends on their judgment. the only time they have is when they were on their Solo X-country flights during training. Oh and nevermind the fact that some of these people wont even qualify for an upgrade becuase they lack the PIC requirement for an ATP. This is true no matter how much SIC time they accumulate in their career unless they go pay for some cesna cross country time.

Time and experience is worth a whole lot more than enthusiasim no matter how you cut it.:cool:

this thread was kinda useful...but not anymore

I'm sorry you think that someone hired as an fo has never had to make a decision on their own. As a CFI I was always making the decision on what was going to happen with the flight. Also during single pilot part 91 corp flying I guess it was just the president of the company in the back seat doing all the IFR flying. When was the last time you flew an aircraft with no autopilot, heading bug, or gps single pilot IFR for 5 hours in IMC at night? Sorry I have more solo time that half a dozen pilots I know at Eagle have PIC time, and I can make my own decisions thanks.

I'll be happy if they pass that 1500 hr rule, that means no low time guy will get in before I have a chance after my contract is over with my current job.

I think maveric was talking about those who were hired with real low time and didnt have the PIC requirement to qualify for an ATP. He has a point that many of those pilots have never had to go through the experiences you have, and if they finish IOE and are in an emergency situation they wont have those past experiences to rely on for solving the situation.

You forgot the part about having one eye taped shut and flying with your toes with both arms tied behind you back.

:rolleyes:

exactly. anyway back on topic. the vac bid out realy doesnt make sense and a lot of us are scratching out head with how to bid. personally I'm not gonna bite untill we get closer to the actual aircraft arriving on property. I defantley dont want to get stuck in a base similiar to what the CRJ is in DFW and ORD. NO FLEXABILITY at all. everything is denied due to staffing where as on the EMJ side we can pretty much do what we want.

Yea, something is definitely up. I'm hoping the ALPA teleconference tomorrow can clear things up a bit.

More then likely this is in anticipation of flowthru's beginning to move over to AA by spring or Summer. The company doesn't want to get caught without enough captains to cover the schedule for Spring/Summer flying because an overage of captains can be used to cover an underage of F/O's, wheras a shortage of captains grinds the schedule down.

There remains a possibility that the company will force all to flow, but more than likely those that pass will just mean another more junior goes. It's reasonable to assume 50-60% of the 244 will accept and that means 120-150 vacancies will occur over the next 6-8 months. First though, a bubble needs to be created to insure the process runs satisfactorily and that is the likely primary purpose of the vacancy bid, but additional factors may be involved as well.

Didnt the company initiate the CQFO program last time they thought this situation was going to happen? Nobody actually went through the procedure, but it seemed like a decent idea if I remember correctly.

barefoot, in the snow.

The best part is when the recalls get displaced to the jet after just finishing ATR requal. How much production has the company gotten out of them since the day they were hired?

teleconference is the today the 24th right? i got my days screwed up...

so when would further recalls happen? how's class for anyone in it now?

According to teleconference call, the recalls will continue, but no numbers/dates from the company yet.

"And the reason for the vaca/disp in the northeast is that they want to move guys from JFK to LGA????"

Well, duhhhh!! But what's the reason why???

I was in que but had to leave after listening for 45 mins. Can someone post what they say about that, if it gets brought up. Thanks.

Basically nothing, Andy L (JFK CA) called and asked specifically about that and the jetbridge swap LOA. The company is holding the LOA hostage until we agree on a co-domicile, but they havent made any proposals and the union isnt looking to get into a co-dom negotiation right now. Apparently LGA has 1000hrs more flying than JFK and this vacancy bid will balance it out. The lines in LGA will be more commuter friendly with this vacancy as well.

Seems AA Marketing forced the JFK base situation on Eagle because they thought the international demand would pick up a lot faster than it has. The whole thing hasn't turned out the way they intended or hoped it would.

Still seems like a crappy reason to displace more than 25% of the crews out of JFK, they have really been jerking around the NE people. My personal opinion is they are planning on CRJs doing a bunch of the JFK flying. You heard it here first!

I spoke to CC from HR few days ago and I asked her few things. Since I was hired and put into the hiring pool, I asked about the status of the pool. Apparently the company still has everyone on file but since its been over 6 months from the date of interview, everyone would have to go through the interview again. As obvious, she has no idea when hiring will start but I think no one knows that. She did say when the hiring does start, the people in the hiring pool would have to meet the new minimums, but she has no idea what they will be, so I guess just building time for now wouldn't be such a bad idea.
I guess this sums it up for those in the "hiring pool"

No;Its not a bad Idea. Get That CFI job or Freight job then come over.
Thanks.

I would love to fly a baron or something at night, carrying cargo. But teaching is not that bad, except that students are starting to thin out, no one is getting loans anymore, so its getting worse every semester.

Go teach Chinese, Japanese, German, or Dutch Students in PHX. theres no shortage of those.

I think some of us said this already ;)

any word on recalls actually happening since this last bid?

I've only heard that everyone will be back by spring/summer. We need the help....BAD!

Cya when you get here :)