AE vac/disp bid
 

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Vacancy/displacement Bid Is Open Eff <21 Nov 2009

*vacancies* *enter Training No Later Than*
<14 Dfw Ca Crj <01 Jan 11
<12 Dfw Fo Crj <01 Jan 11
<11 Ord Ca Crj <01 Jan 11
<35 Ord Fo Crj <01 Jan 11
<45 Dfw Ca Emj <01 Jan 11
<37 Dfw Fo Emj <01 Jan 11
<17 Lga Ca Emj <01 Jan 11
<18 Lga Fo Emj <01 Jan 11

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*displacements* *enter Training No Later Than*
<19 Jfk Ca Emj <01 Jan 11
<22 Jfk Fo Emj <01 Jan 11
<08 Lax Ca Emj <01 Jan 11
<03 Dfw Fo Atr <01 Jan 11
<05 Mia Ca Atr <01 Jan 11
<14 Mia Fo Atr <01 Jan 11
<07 Sju Ca Atr <01 Jan 11

This Bid Will Close At 2300ct On 06dec09 And Is Scheduled
To Be Run On 07dec09. A Preliminary Award May Follow.
Pilots Entering Training Within 14 Days Of The Actual Run Date
Will Be Subject To A Training Freeze And Will Not Be Awarded
A Vacancy Per Cba Section 15.i.2 And 3. A Final Award Will
Be Posted On 13dec09
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48 CA vacancies (after accounting for displacements) and 100 unfilled slots... recalls/hiring?

i wonder how long til we see: well i have 1000 TT 50 ME do i have a chance???

Hey, I have 1000 TT and 50 ME. Do I have a chance???

:D

I hope I can get my behind back to DFW. I also heard from a very reliable source that LAX may strink even more. Hell may even close! Also, they're gonna split the CRJs between ORD/DFW. My source is VERY reliable. Those flow thoughs.....may be made to go!

Some more stuff is coming. Get your popcorn ready!!!

The 4 parties of Letter3 were supposed to meet today?
Then we get this BID? Hmmmm......IIfffff Youu sssmeeellllllaalalalll..... what is cooking.

That would require quick thinking and spur of the moment action to run a vac/disp based on todays meeting. Not here at AMR!

MOVEMENT! Of the upward type....I hope.

Oh, just a rough guess but I would say about 46 minutes. :)

Scoop

why don't we use the Eagle news thread anymore. we seem to be building a lot of random eagle threads.

Please nobody bid DFW CRJ FO. It would be nice to get a free meal every once in a while.

They've probably had that vac/disp bid waiting to go for weeks.... kinda like when they closed your Boston base with a vac/disp bid the same evening the union rejected some codomicile concesssion; right....

I dont know. I would say no with current industry. We have plenty of FO's that dont have 1000TT. Go figure right?

I doubt we do any more. We were all with Eagle at least a year before being furloughed...

Oops...too late :D

I was just kidding and having fun with the previous poster who wondered how long it would be until someone asked the question. I am actually already at Eagle and have been using the Long-Term leave for the past year and have 4 more to go until I return.

Didn't they furlough because the reserves weren't being utilized enough...
so, if they were hiring people with 290TT and they weren't flying... I bet they are correct that there are still a majority of the last batch of new hires with less than 1000TT

Apply, you never no, but leaning towards probably not.

Theres 130 more vacancies than displacements. With everyone recalled, leaves about 50-60 empty positions. Sounds like a small, selective bit of hiring. Interesting to note the VACANCY for DFW CA/FO CRJ. Maybe they won't reduce Dallas CRJ flying to 2 jets.:confused:

Well I don't care what the company said about not using rsv "enough" I was hired in April 28th of 08 and furloughed in June 1st 09. Taking into account that I had the three months of initial with no flight time and I also bid part time lines once and a zero time line once. I dropped days and stayed home as much as I could because rsv was brutal and still ended up with over 600 hours of flight time total with the company. So if any FO's are under 1000 it can't be by much.

Your name says it all.... very appropriate.

How were you hired the 28th??? I was hired April 15, 2008, went to the jet orientation but they canceled the FO training a week before...I never made it to training, I'm guessing you went right to dallas instead of going to the orientation.

just sittin in the hiring pool...if it's still around

No, I had to go to the orientation as well. They sent me to Pan Am in Pheonix. However the three weeks I went there were before April 28th. Your hire date is actually the date you enter training at Eagle. You probably don't have access to it, but we can log in and look at the seniority list that lists everyones' names and hire dates. In fact, there was even another class after I entered training, so the last class date, or date of hire if you will, was actually May 12 of 08. If you look at the letter you got from Eagle for the transition course, it explains how your hiring is conditional upon finishing the transition training. This is also why you aren't actually getting paid while going through the jet transition training. Hopefully we'll see you around though, It wasn't fun being stuck at the bottom for a whole year!!

We sent folks through a jet transition course? Did that cost you guys any money?

Well, Eagle paid $10K to send me to the course. They cancelled my class, and 8 months later, I got a 1099 in the mail to pay taxes on the 10 grand.

Yeah, eagle paid for the jet transition course, but you have to pay the taxes on it. The company used it for a tax write off evidently. We didn't get paid while we are in the course, but our hotel and travel to/from was covered. That just goes to show you how much they were scrambling to hire pilots just a little over a year and a half ago.

Wow....I don't know what to say.

Looks like MIA just went pretty senior. I thought American was growing Miami, and it's not like the reserve list is a mile long. ATR instructors are returning to the line- greener pastures on the jet folks, see you in ORD.

They sent the 250hr guys that they were worried would wash out;)

In addition to the lower time guys getting the jet course, they were also sending a few guys near 1000TT that were "shaky" in the Tech or Sim parts...I was hired @ 550TT and was scheduled for the transition course before being put in the pool...

Oh. Was the xsition course worth the time spent? To me, flying a jet is easier than any piston. And to have to pay the tax :confused:

double post

Well, I don't know about the actual sim time itself. I guess the ground school and flows were good prep, but I would have finished fine without it, I think. I guess it didn't hurt though, it was educational. It wasn't optional though, so I didn't have a choice, and I would have jumped through hoops to get hired.

Wonder if the people in the pool that were offered the orientation course but never took it have to redo the interview? It would make sense now the number of available applicants with higher times on the street exist. For that matter I wonder if the pool will be dissolved and a whole new batch of applicants interviewed. All this is mute of course if they aren't even going to hire off the street.

I was sent to orientation with 530 TT and I was the 2nd lowest most had between 1000-2000 TT

we were sent a 1099 form and they did inform of this to us.

I talked to my dad's tax guy and got out of paying anything from the course.

I'm guessing there's around 15-20 in the pool...i have no idea the real number, and I'm not holding my breath for any of it though, just have no idea whats going to happen.

530TT? Do yourself a favor and get your CFI. Its for your own benefit.

Hey buddy, that was two years ago when their were people in my crj course with 210 hrs from riddle. Do yourself a favor, and mind your own business. I was hired with 500 tt and went to the course with 550 tt. Yea it was low time but I still was hired and passed their stinkin course. Not that it did me any good cuz my class was cancelled.

You're not the HR person and we're not asking for you're career guidance. who's to say the guy doesn't already have his CFI. Getting your CFI doesn't solve anything or find you a job in this market either. There are many people that work for Eagle who were hired with less time and are still working there. I also know many people at eagle with less PIC time that I have and I'm just shy of getting my ATP.

not sure if that was a hit to me or a hit to the dozens of pilots that were hired with less time then that....

thanks WmuGrad for backing me up.

lets not beat a dead horse and bring this kind of topic up again.

FWIW...my CFIA checkride is next monday... so thanks for the advice RJ???

My family travels on my airline. So that makes it my business.Even a monkey can be trained, spoon feed to "pass" any "stinkin" course.Do a research and find out how many of these "wonders" pass their probie check ride 10month later.AT 500TT or 500TT you dont have the level of experience to operate in a 121 environment. I really hope congress will pass the 1500TT ATP mins.

Yeah, it will go back to 10yrs ago when everyone had 1500TT minimum, with some sort of CFI, or 135 job before coming on board. :)

How about the pilots from AA that didnt make it through training? Or the guys in my interview class with 2000TT+ and didnt pass the interview?

Attitude and train-ability determine your success in this job. Without the right attitude to accept criticism and eager to learn from instructors, CAs, peers, Chief pilot, etc you wont make it. Without the ability to adapt learn those new ways of operating the aircraft you won't make it either. How many times have we changed checklist items in the past year? How about the way we operate the packs, bleeds, APU, GPU, etc?

This subject has been seriously beaten to death, but hours in the log book are nice only if those hours were spent constructively. For a major 121 airline operation I would take a 500hr pilot with a good attitude and trainable as opposed to a grizzled 5000hr freight dog who spent the past 5 yrs flying single pilot in a caravan.