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Originally Posted by SUX4U
(Post 718848)
but stop crucifying the RAH guys... they agian have no say in this.
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Originally Posted by flyrr100
(Post 721835)
Thank you.
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Originally Posted by jetGlue
(Post 721848)
There is blood on the RAH pilots hands. Unwillingness and inability to get a decent working agreement contributes to this travesty.
You should be ashamed of yourself for saying of all people that the PILOTS of RAH have blood on their hands! If that is your logic, than Southwest pilots also have blood on their hands when ATA fell and their pilots got sent packing right? Or how about the laid off AWA guys senior to actively flying new hire's at Airways... do those Airways guys have blood on their hands as well? No, they dont! When airlines are merged/acquired their will be blood... but on the managements and or unions hands, not the pawns. I hope you never have to experience a merge, believe me... its not the most pleasant thing for any group involved. But if you do, maybe you will understand how out of touch your perspective is. |
Originally Posted by jetGlue
(Post 721848)
and inability to get a decent working agreement contributes to this travesty.
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Originally Posted by MD80
(Post 721584)
Republic EXCO will fill all the jobs with furloughed Republic pilots and new hires to help Rev BB cost labor costs.
I just hope the arbitrator sees though the actions of the Teamster Union and Rev BB to bypass the Midwest Pilots labor contract. "All commercial flight operations (whether revenue, non-revenue, scheduled or non-scheduled) conducted by the Company will be flown by pilots whose names appear on the Midwest Airlines, Inc., Pilot System Seniority List." but since YX Inc. doesn't exist anymore, this is N/A.... |
Originally Posted by YXnot
(Post 721560)
Timeline for Section 13(b) Alternative Dispute Resolution
Process Using November 3, 2009 Effective Date DATE SECTION DESCRIPTION November 13, 2009 §IV(a) Each committee to submit list of 3 acceptable arbitrators /mediators; RAH to submit list of 3 acceptable arbitrators November 18, 2009 §IV(b) Conference to select arbitrator/mediator November 24, 2009 §I(a) Last date for committees to request information from RAH December 3, 2009 §I(a) RAH to produce information requested 11/24 December 13, 2009 §II(a) Exchange of verified seniority lists and CBAs December 18, 2009 §II(b) Exchange of integration proposals December 28, 2009 §II(c) Beginning of conferences re integration January 12, 2010 §III(a) Any committee may request mediation February 11, 2010 §II(f) Any party may invoke arbitration February 19, 2010 §V(a) Pre-hearing conference March 12, 2010 §V(b) Hearing begins May 11, 2010 §V(d) Proposed award May 31, 2010 §V(e) Final award I spoke to a furloughed RAH pilot the other day and he knew nothing of this agreed to timetable. Despite his impending recall. He complained about the lack of info from IBT,but I was surprised to find out he was so uninformed. MEH council 30 keeps us updated weekly via e-mail and on the ALPA site. |
Originally Posted by SUX4U
(Post 721908)
How long has this "travesty" been going on for... 4 months at the most?!? Again, why do some guys seems to think this integration should happen over night? As YXnot posted a timetable of the integration that alone proves ALL groups are willing and actively working to solve this crap situation for all groups Midwesst guys especially.
You should be ashamed of yourself for saying of all people that the PILOTS of RAH have blood on their hands! If that is your logic, than Southwest pilots also have blood on their hands when ATA fell and their pilots got sent packing right? Or how about the laid off AWA guys senior to actively flying new hire's at Airways... do those Airways guys have blood on their hands as well? No, they dont! When airlines are merged/acquired their will be blood... but on the managements and or unions hands, not the pawns. I hope you never have to experience a merge, believe me... its not the most pleasant thing for any group involved. But if you do, maybe you will understand how out of touch your perspective is. Why would a integration take 9-10 months? Because Republic pilots want all the jobs at Midwest. Delta/NWA integration took less time. SWA wanted to make a integration deal with Frontier in two days... too fast I agree. It's pretty simply, you have to discuss lets say 6 ways to integrate a seniority list. If you can't agree then it goes to arbitration, period. No more than 4 months is needed... 1 month of talks followed by 3 months for arbitration. |
Originally Posted by jetGlue
(Post 721848)
There is blood on the RAH pilots hands. Unwillingness and inability to get a decent working agreement contributes to this travesty.
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So should we have let YX go out of business? Their management and sorry union did that to them. Maybe if we just watched them go out of business without our help they wouldn't be crying soo much. If you don't like the circumstances then do us all favors and don't come over! We helped YX remember, they brought nothing to the table!
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Originally Posted by COPILOT
(Post 722036)
So should we have let X go out of business? Their management and sorry union did that to them. Maybe if we just watched them go out of business without our help they wouldn't be crying soo much. If you don't like the circumstances then do us all favors and don't come over! We helped YX remember, they brought nothing to the table!
Hang tough original Midwest! |
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