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flyingkangaroo 12-05-2009 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 721691)
First off, there are a lot more than 1375 active pilots. It's 1557 active pilots.

I think he is taking out the mil leave, Instructors, and med leave... Yeah I would think you are right on but there is likely going to be an adjusted model given the new bases. Also, any change to duty time regulations will require more pilot staffing.

Av8trix 12-05-2009 04:44 PM

yeah I was looking at awarded lines (includes reserve lines) to get the total number.

afterburn81 12-05-2009 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by flyingkangaroo (Post 721700)
I think he is taking out the mil leave, Instructors, and med leave... Yeah I would think you are right on but there is likely going to be an adjusted model given the new bases. Also, any change to duty time regulations will require more pilot staffing.

You are totally right. My bad on that one. I think there should be exactly 1377 on active status.

surreal1221 12-06-2009 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by Av8trix (Post 721687)
Trying to figure out current staffing levels. If I get this wrong some one correct me, since I'm a noob with this. 159 airframes currently, loosing 6, down to 154 in the spring.

I count roughly 1375 total active (bids awarded) pilots

so.. 1375 / 154 = 8.9 pilots or 4.45 crews per a/c?

That sounds a lot tighter than I would have expected, am I borking the math/aircraft/pilot counts somewhere?

Nope, you got it right.

Same figures, well - close enough, to what I came up with about a month ago. 10 pilots per plane is a comfortable staffing level for the most part. 4.5-4.8 crews per a/c tend to provide sufficient reserve/sick/vacation leaves. So, they're kinda cutting it close. The transition will be entertaining.

My previous post though, to whoever replied, wasn't in regards to seeing a recall. Delta mainline is looking at a 7% YOY increase in block hours. How that may trickle down to increasing sub-contract feed demand is yet to be determined.

John Pennekamp 12-06-2009 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by Intl Jumper (Post 721411)
John,
are they still planning on sending 25-35 crews to IAD in addition to ORD, or is the next displacement just going to happen because the ORD base is opening? I am confused about this.

I really haven't heard anything detailed like that, but my opinion is that ORD will be in addition to what's already going to IAD. It's no secret that Mesa is in the bottom of the ninth, and down. I predict SOME of UAL's Mesa flying coming our way. Scott's change from no base, to base would seem to confirm that. Of course, don't believe anything until you see it on a bid sheet.

flyingkangaroo 12-06-2009 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by surreal1221 (Post 721867)
Nope, you got it right.

Same figures, well - close enough, to what I came up with about a month ago. 10 pilots per plane is a comfortable staffing level for the most part. 4.5-4.8 crews per a/c tend to provide sufficient reserve/sick/vacation leaves. So, they're kinda cutting it close. The transition will be entertaining.

My previous post though, to whoever replied, wasn't in regards to seeing a recall. Delta mainline is looking at a 7% YOY increase in block hours. How that may trickle down to increasing sub-contract feed demand is yet to be determined.

7%, I didn't know that. That's good news for everyone if it's true.

flyingkangaroo 12-06-2009 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by John Pennekamp (Post 721871)
I really haven't heard anything detailed like that, but my opinion is that ORD will be in addition to what's already going to IAD. It's no secret that Mesa is in the bottom of the ninth, and down. I predict SOME of UAL's Mesa flying coming our way. Scott's change from no base, to base would seem to confirm that. Of course, don't believe anything until you see it on a bid sheet.

John, there has been nothing from management to indicate that. I remember SH specifically saying that it looks like the bulk of the flying will be out of ORD now, and nothing about additional stuff. Do you know something the rest of us don't? Or did I confuse what you are saying? Did you just mean that IAD staffing will stay at about 60 and not reduce?

JustAnotherPLT 12-06-2009 09:04 AM

This is what SH told me:

No we are still downsizing ATL due to the aircraft moving out of here. We still have the remaining 6 aircraft to find work for. If we perform well with United then possibly more work but ExpressJet is very aggressive since they have a lot of unused aircraft.

John Pennekamp 12-06-2009 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by flyingkangaroo (Post 721897)
John, there has been nothing from management to indicate that. I remember SH specifically saying that it looks like the bulk of the flying will be out of ORD now, and nothing about additional stuff. Do you know something the rest of us don't? Or did I confuse what you are saying? Did you just mean that IAD staffing will stay at about 60 and not reduce?

Take a deep breath. Re-read. Slowly this time. Ask for help if necessary. My post was pretty clear. Maybe I know stuff, maybe I don't. ;)

JustAnotherPLT 12-19-2009 08:10 AM

So based off an e-mail that was sent out awhile ago, ASA might not be opening an ORD base. However, it seems SkyWest will be increasing its block hours significantly for 2010 (possible hiring). Is ASA seeing the same thing?


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