Atp
 

Is atp a pretty good school? And does anybody know if you have to have a college degree to get in? Thanks

I belive that ATP is not too bad of a place (which is saying a lot in the flight training scam, I mean industry).

But you need to make sure you understand EXACTLY what you want and need for your training and career progression before you talk to them. Otherwise they will try to sell you a bunch of extra crap that you don't need $$$$.

Getting an RJ type rating would be good too. It would show prospective regionals that you can make it through their training. Money well spent.

no, you don't need a college degree. That is the whole point of going there, to bypass a 4 year school. But it is a good school; my wife went there. you get $hit done and quick. best economic value. I suggest it above the others!

WRONG! Don't waste your money on a RJ type. Anyone can fly one; as long as your resume is good and you have a good attitude, you'll get the job. You must have been born with a silver spoon in your mouth to go and get one for no apparent reason. hogwash!

Let's say that you where. What's wrong with getting one?

I have heard the RJ type training is exactly what you get when you go through training when you get hired at a Regional.

It would have to be pretty similar, yes. But you still have to do it at the airline anyway, and they won't make you pay for it.

what planet are you people from? You don't need one. save that money for your first year of FO pay...you're gonna need it.

Fact is that some regionals will get you on with low time as long as you have a RJ type. So in fact, it does pay to get one if you are low time.

ATP is the best for the money. You'll have the minimum multi requirement for most regionals right out of training. I'm not just saying this because I work there. It truly is better than any school I've seen or heard of. But do your own research. Talk to the students and tour the location. Check out other schools as well. But I'll bet you'll be back at ATP. One small bit of advice, DONT GO TO DCA!

that's great if you have a degree, but if not, embry riddle is the best option.

If you want to pay $1000 a credit.

A small price to pay for getting a degree ftom the Harvard of the Skies.

You need 2 years of college for their regular training and a 2 year degree or better for their pay for training program.

BURflyer you are half correct. They require 2 years of college or two years of work experience or equivelent. Which in the end is the discretion of the administrator.

And Embry Distance learning is $185 a credit hour. At 120 credit to graduate that comes to $22,000. Plus they GIVE you up to 36 hours for your ratings (generally 34) - $6290.

Interesting. I knew ERAU had a distance learning environment, but didn't figure it would be lower than 50k to attend.

I went to ATP and im with a regional - its a great place to get ******* done quickly - just kinda expensive - but worth it - its pretty hectic and its like drinking from a firehose, but thats just like regional grounds school

Not that expenseive. Multi engine time is generally anywhere from $200-$280 an hour wet. You get 190 multi-engine (50 FTD) which comes out to 150 x $200 = $30k up to 150 x $280 = 42,000. That would be the price for just multi engine flight time not including instruction, simulators, room and board, and other misc. things.

The price for the ACPP is $44,995.

So people that finish ACPP have atleast 190 Multi engine and 285 hours TT.

One thing the Harvard of the Skies doesn't have is a good General Education curriculum. Save yourself some cash and do the JC thing for a few years. You won't regret paying less than 10% the price of Riddle for instruction that is above and beyond their GenEd departments.

Spoken like a true ERAU alum!!! There are many other options and many are much better than ERAU. Look around before spending all that much on a "made-up" university. Is it even accredited?

Let me guess.....XJT?

does it matter? XJT has been in the black.

No, but I just laugh that they hire peops with like 500 TT and 100 twin. That's safe

Like you are qualified to be flying an airliner around.

you could have 20k hours tt in a 172 but not be qualified to fly a regional jet. You got to start somewhere.

I wouldn't call it an "airliner"

"somewhere" is not starting out in an RJ. Go fly a cheyenne or such for a while before you fly my kids around on a "big jet"
ps cynical is worse than browntail. no comparison. he is an a$$

Ive been an instructor for a large regional airline (1800 pilots) for 6 years and I have never seen anyone come through with an RJ type rating.

1500,

which airline - if you don't mind saying. No harm if you wish to keep that to yourself. I'll respect your wishes.

Reason I ask is I would like to keep in touch and get some thoughts / insights from you on getting into 121 world after o retire from the military.

I have 8 years to go before I'm eligible. I'm currently a intel officer at Langley, AFB. I have a PPL.

-LAFF

That is really, really sad.

How is integrity gonna return to the cockpit when minimum-hours are so low?

The I read another thread about some gig in Hawaii hiring SIC-in-a-Caravan (?) for EIGHT bucks an hour.

I'm speechless.

I doubt it.

so, what areyour aspirations after JAX? Howmuch time do you have? I've seen some members of a certain sex come out of that school, who I wouldn't want to fly around my neighbors dog, let alone my family. scary, scary stuff. If only the public knew

Sadly
 

Sadly is seems that young low time incompetent pilots really do not effect the crash statistics in the airlines. The airlines have such a tight, redundant and efficient system that real skill isn't that important anymore. Personally I feel that you could take a guy off the street and in 90 days of rote memorization and repetition could effectively serve as an FO. That is mostly how the military operated in WW2. All a guy needed to know was how to take off and land. Everything else like MX, navigation, radio ops and leadership was handled by support staff. Direction and training was given en route to the next mission. Lately in the regionals it seems that we are heading that way.

SkyHigh

Skyhigh what does it matter to you? You are busy working your construction business or whatever you do. I am beginning to this you are just an attention w h o r e.

Anyways noone is going to get to fly anything that they can't handle. Just because it took you forever, and by you I mean anyone, doesn't mean that is the only path to the regionals. Everyone must still pass the checkrides. Last time I checked they don't pick people that fail most of their check rides.

Last time I checked it doesn't matter how many hours you have when you get hired an airline you start at the bottom. You still have to gain experience before you make captain.

The amount of people that are getting jobs right out of the ACPP is very slim but the number of people taken from ATP's CFI's are high because they receive a ton of ME flight time.

It's sad how people like Skyhigh insult, bagger, and incessantly critisize people about the industry because he couldn't cut it. It's too damn bad that life is hard. It's sad that the construction industry can take mindless workers off the street and build skyscraper. It's embarrassing how the construction industry can take a bunch of illegal immigrants and build 10 miles and highways and bridges. That is definately the wrong path...

This describes people from every culture, every race, every job and so on. Except they couldn't handle high school or college or anything else.

If they are that bad chances are they won't get a job and they will have plenty of time to sit around and complain on APC forums about how bad ATP is.

ATP is just a vehicle for change. As for my aspirations I plan on teaching till I get a job while also doing some IT, trading my stocks & options, completing my degree, and have fun flying. I plan on doing it as fast as I can. In IT I have assimulated larger quantities of information is shorter periods or time with enough ancronyms to make anyone head spin.

I have failed more times than I can count, succeeded some, set huge goals and met them all (except marriage & kids... pray for me), and now I am bored as hell.

Truths
 

I just call it as I see it. I have the benefit of leaving the rose colored glasses behind. It matters to me since young starry eyed kids might wrongfully get the impression that skill, knowledge and experience are a valued commodity in the airlines. What is truly shameful about construction is that a high school drop out meth addict makes more money swinging a hammer than most regional airline pilots. The reason is that it takes some cash to tempt them to go to work. Pilots would work for free if given the opportunity.

As I always say aviation failed me. I was there for almost 20 years giving my all and laying the best years of my youth and everything else I had upon the alter of aviation. At some point you must walk away and salvage what you have left. After a decade or two you also might develop a little self respect and go someplace where you have a chance at a real life and earning a real living.

It is alright if you wish to ignore the obvious. Close your eyes and keep on working to artificially inflate your ego. Others here are interested in self preservation.

SKyHigh

If aviation can fail you then it's just a matter of time before your next job fails you too.

It seems to me that most people get into aviation because they want to fly jets. Your priorities have just changed. QOL is more important to you than continuing to fly for a living. There is nothing wrong with that but I can bet you that if all these kids are getting in glassy eyed and then you were the same way when you got in.

I have tried and failed more things in my 10 years on my own then most people in their whole entire life. I don't go through life with blinders on because I have learned it doesn't help. But I do believe in overnight success. You know... the kind where you bust your tail forever and then out of nowhere people think you just popped out a success.

Noone owes anyone anything. The aviation industry doesn't owe any of us anything. If you believe the aviation industry failed you it's because you believe it owes you something.

And why do I need to inflate my ego. I am just another post on an internet message board.

Buddy some regionals will get you on with a pulse.

You really should not buy into that **** RAA is pushing. I met a guy, biggest idiot in the world walking around an Air Inc job fair with an RJ type rating, nobody would talk to him he had no real world experience. He had his multi commercial about 300 hours and type rating.

Pay your dues put your ass in the right seat with a guy like yourself in the left that is going to auger you into the ground the first chance he gets.

You need to remeber you are going to be interviewed by pilots who busted there asses, not guys with silver spoons and type ratings.

Difference
 

SkyHawq,

Your post is one of the most frightening things I have ever read on this forum. "QOL is more important to you than continuing to fly for a living". What are you some kind of martyr? This is supposed to be a JOB and not a quest to throw your life away over. You are the poster child for everything that is wrong with this industry. Pilots who are prepared to throw their lives away over nothing. Factory created pilot mill losers who are trying to buy their way to happiness with a 100K loan.

By many accounts I was a success at aviation. In fact I bested most to all of my graduation class. In the end it was I who decided that the benefits payed out by the airlines simply wasn't good enough. If you have no self respect and are prepared to throw "QOL" away then you can have it. You haven't even gotten out of the gates yet, and still you feel obligated to assault me for demanding more. I hate to tell you but there is a big fat surprise in your future. Seems like another failure is in store for you and this time with a 100K price tag.

Good Luck because you will need it,

SkyHigh