Just Sad!!!
 

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Midwest-Connect-(Republic/Embraer-ERJ-190-100LR-190LR/1603233/L/

Past (in the background) and Present of the industry..... :mad:

Are you new here?...
IBTL

I would suggest that the OP's point was that this picture reflects the past and the present as opposed to just "stumbling across" a story that has been discussed many times on this board.

i would suggest that the OP is wasting his time and posting a very rhetorical theme that has been discussed too much already and the thread should be closed.

More important question is why are you on airliners.net? LOL

What is sad is the ugly paint job on the Saab in the OP avatar.

I hate the Captain America paint job

certainly. time should never be wasted on APC. ppl get tons accomplished at this place.

and shame on him for not spending more quality, productive time on these forums. he should have been up to speed on every single topic that is discussed, and then realized that there are certain issues that are taboo.

Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i just threw up a little

I just saw a commercial for GE and they showed a Midwest 190 taking off. Oh well

So a guy who works for Colgan is posting pictures about how sad the airline industry is because of Republic? Talk about the highest form of hypocrisy.

How is he a hypocrite? Is Colgan taking over the world with our 450 pilots and big bad turbo props?

And why is an FO from Colgan throwing stones again? Oh yeah that's right - I'm sure his vast flight experience and thousands of logged hours is chocked full of valuble knowledge and advice for the rest of us. Either that or he's newbie who doesn't really know how this business works.

You didn't hear? Colgan just bought out Delta and will be replacing the MD-80's with Saabs and the 737's with Q's.:rolleyes:

Colgan put ExpressJet guys out of work. Flying a larger airplane (Q400 vs E145) for less pay. That's undercutting just like Republic and Midwest.

Republic did not undercut Midwest. They bought them out for the name and routes of Midwest. Midwest is now a virtual airline. ITS GONE!!

Express Jet just locked up more flying with UAL and will have close to 100 pilots coming back starting in January.

If you think these are the same thing and are both examples of "undercutting," you are mistaken.

You should take your own advice.

....point goes to Juice

We can blame each other all day long while the Fat Cats are laughing it up at the country club smoking big cigars and thinking of new ways to make money multiply.

At the end of the day, we (the little guys) have no control over what the company we happen to work for does. We are all just trying to make a life in our chosen profession. I'm sure most of us would rather work somewhere else (unless you work for Fed-Ex, UPS, SWA, NASA, NetJets, Oprah or USAF flying Air Force One).

Obviously you think that picture from the OP is OKAY...which tells me you don't really know how this business works either. Maybe I should post a nice button my father gave me from the United Airlines strike from 1985 that will help you better understand how this industry is SUPPOSED to work. This current day and age (never mind the economy) is NOT how the airlines are supposed to work. To many airlines have to many "dirty corner-standing ladies" who take everything they can, but do nothing for the industry as a whole. With the attitude you convey, I would assume you are one of the "many", so no point in continuing.

Midwest Airlines is a subidiary of Republic Airways. You guys really think the industry is going to forget the actions of Republic pilots in undermining negotiations and "locking-out" Midwest pilots from integration at their own airline.

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Item 2.01

On July 31, 2009, pursuant to the terms of the Agreement and Plan of Merger, dated as of June 23, 2009, among Republic Airways Holdings Inc. (the “Company”), RJET Acquisition, Inc. and Midwest Air Group, Inc. (“MAG”), as amended (the “Merger Agreement”), RJET Acquisition, Inc. merged with and into MAG (the “Merger”) with MAG continuing as the surviving corporation and becoming a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Company.
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Indianapolis-based Republic said it will replace all of Midwest’s Boeing 717s with Embraer 190s once the separate unions that represent pilots and flight attendants merge their ranks, Republic Chairman and CEO Bryan Bedford said.
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Republic Teamsters will go down in aviation history with Frank Lorenzo.

Hey -- those darn Republic guys. They had sooooo much choice in the whole thing. Let's see -- everyone used to bash Mesa, now that they are near deaths doors, we are on to Republic. The return of decent wages and quality of life will come not from bashing each other or even new "super contracts". It will come from all of us uniting behind a common cause and supporting legislation through Congress that makes being an airline so difficult that a true shortage will occur. If you think a new Republic, Colgan, or Mesa (or any other bashee) contract is going to change the industry, check the history books over the last 20 years.

Rant Over!!!

Very retarded thread.

If Colgan had bought small airline X and they started flying the E190 your guys would be falling over themselves to fly that thing... just as they would at Pinnacle, ASA, Skywest, etc etc etc.

indeed they all would. However it is so much fun for those who work at their "industry leading" shops to play King of the Regionals over the dreaded "bottom feeding" scum who bring the entire industry down

Nice headset. Do you grow out of the DCs and into a big boy airline pilot headset before or after you get your crappy paycheck?

So does that mean that the furloughed RAH that are coming back are going to be called scabs because they have a choice now that they know what their company has done??

I do suggest that you're wasting your time by being so worried about how other people are wasting their time.

I'm not judging an entire group. I'm judging one ignorant individual who happens to work for Colgan.

I agree that it's a bad situation, but more importantly, I understand the concepts of capitalism. If you cannot survive and compete under your present structure, you either restructure or get eaten by somebody who will. If you disagree with capitalism and the free market, then I suggest you move to Nevada and help Harry Ried from losing his seat in his next election.

MD, you got sold out by your own union. Not your MEC, your union. Unless you were one of the unfortunate who had to work under a Lorenzo acquired airline, you again speak from ignorance, not experience.

And if you can't figure out how to deal with your misplaced anger, it's gonna kill you someday. Those of us who were there saw too many good people die from it.

Rant begins -

Not to burst your theory, but when the Gay & Lesbian movement first emerged from the closet 40+ years ago, they were happy just not getting beaten on the street. Over time, they gained protections in housing, and employment, and slowly one little baby step at a time, we are at a point in history where Gays & Lesbians are legally married in several states...

The point being, that if they had emerged from the closet demanding marriage rights, they would have been stoned to death on the spot, and nobody would have blinked an eye...

It is the same thing here my friend. Yes, Mesa is trash; but so are just about all the regionals. If we spent our effort trying to destroy their industry overnight it would be impossible. It is much easier to target the weakest and most despised of the trash, and even get their own counterparts (you) to join in the fight to eliminate them. Once one is gone, you move onto the next largest trash company. Mesa is all but done, it is now RAH's turn on the chopping block.

How long do you think the "mainline partners" of RAH will tollerate directly funding their competition now that RAH is a large plane operator competing directly against them on several routes.... How long do you think the shareholders of those mainline companies will allow it to continue? The CEO's number one job is to keep their job. Their second job is to provide a return and be accountable to their investor/shareholders. Directly funding your competition is not good business.

- rant ends -

These forums will never change.

I would be willing to bet that there would be plenty of people at those "industry leading shops" that would take a pay cut to fly the E190.

sad but true.

most of todays industry leaders fail to realize that today's leaders were yesterday's bottom feeders, and vice versa. Because most of today's industry leading pilots that complain about others on this board have a whole 1-2 years experience in this flying business, and haven't seen it any other way.

you guys are funny. i can't believe you fly all those monotonous bus routes for the money you do. then all you do is complain. go make pizzas.

Yep, dopey airline pilots are so busy bashing each other, it's that much easier for the burglers to continue cleaning out the store.

Too late now anyway............all the good stuff's been gutted. They moved it across the street and sell it for 50% cheaper, but since they got it for free, it's all profit.

All pilots can do from here on out is continue to cry and bash each other..................carry on.

your very right...
but its human nature when you being paid slave wages and being forced to work until near exhaustion that one fights and places blame on others.
The airlines in this country are in a very sad state of affairs.

Honestly? I don't think the rest of the industry gives a good god damn.People are selfish, most won't admit it, but as long as it isn't their ox getting gored,no one really gives a damn.

You could be right. It will lower all pilots with both management and labor unions working against our profession.

Quote of the week!!!

You mean RAH? Midwest is dead.