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Originally Posted by flyguyniner11 (Post 735842)

So what do you say about the people who abuse this policy to get days off and released from reserve early?

Don't hire everyone that comes to interview. Spend some time and money during the interview process and with compensation to ensure that you find good honest moral pilots and not some dude that has a pilot's license. Not saying everyone there is some dude with a pilot's license but it seems like for many at Colgan it was probably the safety fall back job if they couldn't get their first choice or the first choice wasn't available.

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Originally Posted by flyguyniner11 (Post 735860)

no...just a reg line pilot who thinks people shouldn't use a safety policy to get free days off..calling fatigue shouldn't be a joke that people throw around if they want to get a day off which I have seen many times.

And people shouldn't call in sick when they are not sick either but I suspect that is what is going to start to happen more often now with this policy. There are better ways to mitigate abuse than with this policy. Someone mentioned including fatigue calls in the ASAP. This way its anonymous and its the ERC deciding if it was legit instead of a chief pilot.

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Originally Posted by beeker (Post 735861)

thats a great solution if you had a time machine

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Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 735862)

This way its anonymous and its the ERC deciding if it was legit instead of a chief pilot.

Well, it kinda is. Unless you were one of the guys/girls that got called in to sit down with the ERC, FAA, and some other people last summer when they were trying to gather data about the circumstances that led up to the call.

And NO, it wasn't punitive or disciplinary in the least, just saying, I wouldn't be to thrilled to do that. Even if they bought me off my first turn on a 4 day, middle turn on middle day, or last turn on day 4. OR, wanted me to come in on a day off, DH me from home and back at 1.5 X 3.75 OR the higher of the actual/scheduled block of the DH with day off restoration.

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Originally Posted by flyguyniner11 (Post 735860)

I agree. People should be honest. And 99% of us are. But just like the 12 hour rule, a couple jerks' bad actions result in the company squashing all of us.

The last time I called fatigue (the only time in several months), it violated 2 of the 3 new rules. I wonder if I would have been punished. I am not one to abuse fatigue or sick leave, yet seeing memos like this make me think twice prior to an HONEST call.

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Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 735884)

The last time I called fatigue (the only time in several months), it violated 2 of the 3 new rules. I wonder if I would have been punished. I am not one to abuse fatigue or sick leave, yet seeing memos like this make me think twice prior to an HONEST call.

And as we all know, that's simply unsafe. Congress and the media need to see this memo.

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Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 735768)

Ahh yes.... the kinder Colgan:

Beginning immediately, fatigue calls will not be accepted:

1. If the crewmember has had a period of at least 12 hours rest prior to the start of the duty day.*
2. If the crewmember is returning from days off.
3. For future or downline flights. That is, a crewmember cannot declare “I’m going to be fatigued on my next flight”, or “I’m calling in fatigue for tomorrow”.

*Mitigating circumstances that prevent a rest period from being fully utilized will be considered when determining whether a fatigue call is acceptable.

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The Safety Department will ultimately determine whether a fatigue call is acceptable or not. However, a fatigue call that is not accepted will be referred to the Chief Pilot or Inflight Base Manager for disposition.

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Any further blatant abuse of the fatigue option will be addressed as a disciplinary action, and fatigue resulting from an improper use of rest periods or personal time off duty will be treated as missed trips. This policy begins immediately.

god I love this place. :rolleyes:

One of the many reasons, even though I'm on furlough, that I WILL NOT apply to Colgan under any circumstance. I don't know about others out there, but I'd like to think I learned a lot in the 2 years I flew the line. I will not go back to another bottom feeder, period! I would much rather just make good money doing something else and fly on the side... The Heck with this crud, these companies can kiss my you know what!

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Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 735884)

MR and RS would have been disciplined if they had called fatigue under this new policy

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Originally Posted by flyguyniner11 (Post 735863)

thats a great solution if you had a time machine

They made their bed, now they will have to lie in it. The regionals need to start treating their employees with more respect and then maybe the employee group will reciprocate. Better yet, improve the work rules and people will not need to abuse the system.

If you're upset you should quit so one of the 2 thousand suckers with resumes in at Colgan can fly fatigued.