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frankwasright 01-13-2010 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by HawkerJet (Post 743344)
Upper 10%, so why haven't you moved on?

A fair question: I live in base and HATED commuting,which would be an absolute certainty at another carrier.Also,a major pay cut,at least for the first year no matter where you go.QOL issues mainly.Starting off at the bottom of a many-thousand pilot seniority list was less than appealing.I didn't relish the idea of flying back-side-of-the-clock freight,either.Money isn't everything,to me at least.I value time with my family.I have a good sched,16-18 days off a month,vs. being on reserve and commuting for how many years ? No,thanks.

IC ALL 01-13-2010 10:00 AM

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MD80 01-13-2010 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by MD80 (Post 743304)
One thought about career expectations...

If Republic would go bankrupt what are your career expectations to get a new job?

---2 year FO at Republic vs. a Capt at Midwest or Frontier?

---7 year FO at Midwest vs. a Capt at Republic or Frontier?

---15 year Capt at Frontier vs. a Capt at Republic or Frontier?

Think about it, where can you get an interview? This thought should be given to the arbitrator to help rule on career expectation.


OK, I know I'm responding to my own posting...

Let's say Republic goes bankrupt. If we think about career expectation as your chance of interviewing at a major. It comes down to ...

--- Do you have something like 4000+ TT and 1000+ turbine PIC

If you have it, you can interview for any First Officer position in the USA. You would have an equal career (rehire) expectation to anyone.

Who can say a company would have survived or not? Frontier could be part of SWA and Midwest could be part of AirTran or both maybe bankrupt. Career expectation in this integration is not going to be like NWA/Delta.

flyguy23 01-14-2010 02:13 AM


Originally Posted by MD80 (Post 743882)
OK, I know I'm responding to my own posting...

Let's say Republic goes bankrupt. If we think about career expectation as your chance of interviewing at a major. It comes down to ...

--- Do you have something like 4000+ TT and 1000+ turbine PIC

If you have it, you can interview for any First Officer position in the USA. You would have an equal career (rehire) expectation to anyone.

Who can say a company would have survived or not? Frontier could be part of SWA and Midwest could be part of AirTran or both maybe bankrupt. Career expectation in this integration is not going to be like NWA/Delta.



Are you really wanting to go to an arbitrator with hypothetical situations? really?

Killer51883 01-14-2010 05:08 AM

what was the career expectation of a pilot at an airline that had its fleet cut in half over a two year period? or that of an airline that only two companies wanted to help get out of bankruptcy (one wanting to protect its investment, and the other to buy out the competition)? their expectation was the unemployment line.

MD80 01-14-2010 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by Killer51883 (Post 743971)
what was the career expectation of a pilot at an airline that had its fleet cut in half over a two year period? or that of an airline that only two companies wanted to help get out of bankruptcy (one wanting to protect its investment, and the other to buy out the competition)? their expectation was the unemployment line.


What are the career expectations of a Republic pilot with no hiring for almost 2 years and the industry cutting 50 seat RJs left and right?

August 2008 article...

So the major carriers are reducing use of the 50-and-fewer-seat regional jets. They're terminating contracts with regional carriers almost as fast as they can find an escape clause.

When oil hit $50 a barrel, the [regional jets] were under water. When it got over $50, these became financial submarines," Boyd said.
The trend appears to be partly behind Republic's July 11 announcement that it is cutting 500 jobs, or 10 percent of its work force.

On July 3 - eight days before Republic announced job cuts - United Airlines informed Republic it was exercising its right to terminate a contract with Republic's Chautauqua Airlines, which flies seven, 45-seat Embraer jets for United.

The cancellation did not affect United's contract with Republic's Shuttle America airline, which flies larger, 70-seat Embraer aircraft.
In announcing job cuts this month, Republic CEO and Chairman Bryan Bedford noted that major carriers for which Republic flies were reducing their hub operations in light of soaring fuel costs.

`The combined impacts of fewer aircraft flying and lower utilization rates on our smaller jet aircraft are leaving us with no choice but to adjust our business to current market conditions," Bedford said at the time.

likeitis 01-14-2010 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by Killer51883 (Post 743971)
what was the career expectation of a pilot at an airline that had its fleet cut in half over a two year period?

Like I said earlier the burden of proof is substantially lower for a SLI than a grievance. The more buttford opens his mouth the more clear it becomes that he was pulling the strings when the fleet was cut in half.

frankwasright 01-14-2010 05:42 AM

Your "career expectations" are born out by the facts,to wit:

RAH pilots=still employed
F9 pilots=still employed
YX pilots=not so much

Would this outcome have changed sans RAH involvement ? NO.There you have it.

MD80 01-14-2010 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by frankwasright (Post 743991)
Your "career expectations" are born out by the facts,to wit:

RAH pilots=still employed
F9 pilots=still employed
YX pilots=not so much

Would this outcome have changed sans RAH involvement ? NO.There you have it.


What is "sans"? You must be a junior FO getting alittle scared.

PSACFI 01-14-2010 10:07 AM

Did anyone else see that Sean Menke is resigning from Frontier?

Sean Menke resigns from Frontier owner Republic - The Denver Post

How many people from F9 management are left now?


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