ASA CRJ-700 Rumor?
 

Hey all!

I have no solid source for this.. just throwing it out there to see if anyone has heard the same thing.. I've just heard some talking about ASA buying more CRJ 700's.. Anyone else hear the same thing? Like I said.. Just stuff I heard people talking about..

Hope everyone had a good New Year! :)

If so then Pigs do fly!

:rolleyes:

for who? Delta is maxed out on the number of allowed 70-76 seaters right now fwiw

I honestly don't know.. I just heard some crews talking about it a little.. Like I said... just a rumor! :) I was just wondering if anyone else heard it!

As someone who was furloughed for over 4 years, can I give you some advice? If you are furloughed as your avatar says, don't chase down or hang on any rumors. It will only serve to make you miserable and make the furlough seem to drag on even longer.

However, YMMV.

i dont work for ASA but i can tell you how this rumor started because its the same rumor that probably happens at every regional. Your company has just announced more block hours for the 700 this summer if i am not mistaken. So someone probably took that and said hmmm, I wonder if that means we are getting more 700's? Then it spread like a virus throughout your airline.

Yeah probably so.. Definitely would have been nice though! :)

That seems very logical.

All other possibilities, like ASA getting them from Mesa somehow seem very very unlikely at the present time. Stranger things have happened though. Maybe CRJ-700s could be part of that Vietnam thing? (How long before that statement pops up as it's own rumor :p )

Here's a question:

If ASA converts all 700's to first class cabins (which is apparently happening) and makes them 66 seats does that open up room for more 700's in the DCI system?

I never thought about that. That's a very very good question.

No it doesn't get around DL scope protection:

Section 1
SCOPE
Amend Section 1 B. 28. to:
Delete all references to Alaska and AS hub to hub baseline ratios.
Amend Section 1 B. 40. to read:
40. “Permitted aircraft type” means:
a. a propeller-driven aircraft configured with 70 or fewer passenger seats and with a maximum certificated gross takeoff weight in the United States of 70,000 or fewer pounds, and
b. a jet aircraft certificated for operation in the United States for 50 or fewer passenger seats and with a maximum certificated gross takeoff weight in the United States of 65,000 or fewer pounds, and
c. one of up to 255 jet aircraft configured with 51-70 passenger seats and certificated in the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 86,000 pounds or less (“70-seat jets”), and
3
d. one of up to 120 jet aircraft configured with 71-76 passenger seats and certificated in the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 86,000 pounds or less (“76-seat jets”). The number of 76-seat jets may be increased above 120 by three 76-seat jets for each aircraft above the number of aircraft in the baseline fleet operated by the Company (in service, undergoing maintenance and operational spares) as of CBAID. The baseline fleet number will be 440+N, in which N is the number of aircraft (in service, undergoing maintenance and operational spares but not including permitted aircraft types) added to the Company’s baseline fleet from NWA. The number and type of all aircraft in the Company’s fleet on CBAID will be provided to the Association. The number of 70-seat jets plus 76-seat jets permitted by Section 1 B. 40. may not exceed 255.
Exception: Up to the 36 EMB-175s that were operated and/or ordered by Northwest prior to CBAID may continue to be operated with up to a maximum gross takeoff weight of 89,000 pounds.

Edit: Wikipedia shows 185 70 and 76 seat aircraft that fall under what management would say is the scope. I'm not sure if you can count Compass in those totals. Wikipedia isn't the most reliable source so please correct these numbers if they are wrong.

If 185 is correct than it looks like DL can add more 70 and 76 seat jets to the system. If Compass is included in that 255 aircraft total then Delta only has 221 total 70-76 aircraft. Again correct my numbers if they are wrong.

The only reason they are doing this is cost. There is absolutely no return on returning a CRJ-700 for a CRJ-900. They want first class seats wherever possible. Because of this, they will take four seats out of a 70 and operate it as such.
It is a good move for DAL in the fact that they retro-fit an existing jet. What it also means is that they will not be converting the 700's for 900's. Means there is are about 32 700's/900's left until they hit the 255 ceiling.

Could you please post a reference to such a ' fact ' ATLMSL ?

Very very nice guess. You are right, company did mention vacancies for more FO and CA in the 700/900.

just my 2 cents but it doesn't make sense to give aircraft to a contract carrier when the wholly owned are furloughing in large quantities, 160 and growing at XJ and 319 at Comair, and costing Delta training costs...

sigh.... if you are furloughed and have a lot of time on your hands, I suggest you set up your own ASA pilot forum. There you can talk about all the latest gossip and rumors that you can think of including more CRJ-700s. Lots of people are doing it for their own airline. Even Lynx has its own pilot forum.

We at the contract carriers actually agree with you, but when has anything ever made sense in this industry?

They're gonna be 65 seats 56/9 FWIW w/out the front lav.

Let's say hypothetically someone ordered CRJ-700s, how long would it take to get them? Does bombardier have a big back log?

I actually have another job until I get called back.. but thanks! :) I don't know if that was meant as an insult.. but I thought that is what this forum was for.. to share ideas and possible developments in the industry.. You were more than welcome to not click on the link! No offense intended, but I think anyone here has a right to post anything they may hear going on in the industry.. and for those of us that are furloughed.. maybe some hope of us getting to fly again regardless of the airline! I really do love ASA and can't wait to come back :)

You all know I'm pretty "up" on things going on at ASA, and I have heard nothing about us getting more -700s anytime soon. One could speculate that we will eventually pick some up from Mesa, (and fly them for UAL) but I have heard nothing about this now. Check back in a month.

*yawn*

Use your brain. If the title is ASA, and you don't work for ASA, and don't care what goes on at ASA, then for the love of god, don't click on it! Duh.

I understand that you are furloughed but this forum would become worthless, kind of the like the other one has become.. if people start posting wild rumors about possible new flying airplanes routes etc they overheard a janitor discuss with the mechanics. Wait until there is an official announcement, or discuss it at your own pilot forum since it only concerns you. Thank you.

actually i do care what goes on at any airline, just not rumors that have been overheard from a janitors daughter who's been dating a senior CA who overheard an FA who's dating the mechanics who's be talking about more airplanes he overheard from the janitors at corporate.

Kind of ironic that you are so concerned about rumors turning this website into "the other one," yet you have taken 3 separate posts to argue and flame ASA employees about a company rumor. Try adding something constructive or don't bother posting on the threads that bother you.

Until someone sets up an ASA board, this is the main source for employees to bounce around rumors and gripe with each other. Shifting gears, is it fact or rumor that the 700s are being equipped with 65/66 seats and first class?

First off, there is an ASA board. It's called the ALPA Crewroom board... only ASA pilots can see the local board.

Second off, I have heard the rumor from a couple of line pilots as well as a mechanic that they are going to retro-fit the 700's with first class. The number I heard was 66 seats. I also heard that they are going to remove the forward lav in order to fit the additional seats.

But honestly, without a net increase of airframes, I don't think really give a crap.

I forgot about the local board since I haven't looked at it in over a year and I was thinking more of a privately run one similar to republicpilots.org, but understandably that would be a little redundant. That 700 stuff has been floating around off and on for a while, just wanted to see if there was validity this time, sorry if it set you off

Wow. Colead3 started this topic stating that he has no sources, and he's looking for some, and you guys trash him for not having sources to back up his "claims". They weren't claims, it was a question. A legitimate question when you hear a rumor. Maybe consider reading the actual words in the post before going off on your "illegitimate rumor" rants. If you have information that would be helpful to Colead3, maybe offer it up. If not, ignore it.

Just finished differences training on the 700 and the sim instructor said it was for sure happening. Not an official source but the best I have.

Hey now.... Mesaba has had this rumor for several months now... get your own! Sim instructors and LCAs don't really know anything ;)

The 1st class 700 rumor is a absolute fact. They should all be retrofitted by summer. Straight from the horse's mouth. (SH)

It is fact. They will have a total of 66 seats, and are supposed to be completed by May. They begin to go in Feb.

No, it is useful to say "I heard this rumor..." and see if anyone else has heard it. In my experience in this industry, most "facts" began as rumors when someone in management leaks it to someone connected (like me). So don't jump all over someone for fact checking a rumor they heard. IMHO that's what the forums are for.

Man I gotta get back to recurrent and fill up on my BS sessions from SH....seems like there is quite a bit goin on this summer here at ASA :) maybe ?

Hey, I'm on furlough and I still get the latest rumors! Heck, this weekend my mother-in-law called to tell me a captain at her church was in recurrent last week and got the impression from CT that recalls were a strong possibility this spring! :D (I did have to let her down gently on the realities of airlines and pilot gossip.)