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PinnacleFO 01-29-2010 10:55 AM

Safest Airplane out there
 
Just curious, If you had the worlds best flight crew at the controls, what airplane do you feel safest in when deadheading in the back?

Also, my appologies to the Dash 300 and 200 guys, group that under the q i guess and also to the beech guys It wont let me edit the poll.

coopervane 01-29-2010 11:00 AM

Probably 737- any series


Least safe, TU-134 those things drop like flies all over third world countries

PinnacleFO 01-29-2010 11:02 AM

I voted the DC9!!! Its proven technology

colinflyin 01-29-2010 11:08 AM

I voted Q 400. Until Colgan 3407 there have been no fatalities in this bird or any of it's smaller models (Q 100 200 300), and this plane has been flying for a while, and I've flown the 200 and loved flying it. I like this thread should be interesting.

iPilot 01-29-2010 11:08 AM

I remember hearing a long time back that there has never been a fatal accident in a E-145. Seems far fetched but does anyone know for sure?

As for the 737, I highly doubt it considering they had all those rudder hard-over accidents. Still pretty darn good record considering how long they've been flying!

rickair7777 01-29-2010 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by iPilot (Post 753844)
I remember hearing a long time back that there has never been a fatal accident in a E-145. Seems far fetched but does anyone know for sure?

None that I know of.


Originally Posted by iPilot (Post 753844)
As for the 737, I highly doubt it considering they had all those rudder hard-over accidents. Still pretty darn good record considering how long they've been flying!

The advantage of an old model is that all the bugs have been worked out. The rudder servos have long-since been replaced with a new design (well maybe not in africa). Ideally you'd want to fly on a recently (but no too recently) built airplane whose design has been around for a long time, with a lengthy production run, and no known current issues.

The 73 qualifies, the bus does not (current issues).

Also you have to consider relative length of service and production run when comparing models...the ERJ might not look so good if the fleet had the same number of hours as the 73 fleet!

Remember the worlds safest commercial airplane, with a decades-long perfect record? The concorde went from first to worst in about 7 minutes. Turns out it had all kinds of design issues, but the low production run and low utilization meant that it took a long time for a fatal accident to result. Ultimately 7% of the fleet was lost...that's not a good number for a commercial plane. The space shuttle lost 20%...

FlyJSH 01-29-2010 11:27 AM

The safest plane is the one that never leaves the ground

AirWillie 01-29-2010 11:36 AM

Definitely the 777.

Killer51883 01-29-2010 11:48 AM

the safest plane is the one im flying

UnlimitedAkro 01-29-2010 11:59 AM

I thought of some other pointless questions that anyone with zero life might actually answer:

1- What is the coolest flight number?

2- Which pen is the most professional?

3- Which pilot is the greatest?

Get a life :o

rocketman3746 01-29-2010 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by UnlimitedAkro (Post 753890)
I thought of some other pointless questions that anyone with zero life might actually answer:

1- What is the coolest flight number?

2- Which pen is the most professional?

3- Which pilot is the greatest?

Get a life :o

Ooh, I'll go first!

1- What is the coolest flight number? - Whatever one I'm using

2- Which pen is the most professional? - Whichever one's in my pocket

3- Which pilot is the greatest? - ME!

;)

rickair7777 01-29-2010 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by AirWillie (Post 753868)
Definitely the 777.

Have the resolved that whole fuel-system-blocked-by-ice-double-engine-rollback thingy?

SilkySmooth 01-29-2010 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 753859)
The safest plane is the one that never leaves the ground

Not true:( I often tell passengers that the taxiing around the airport is one of the least safe places to be. You just never know when some big Delta jet is going to land on a taxiway!:D

DSflyer05 01-29-2010 01:54 PM

Gulfstream5/550 for the safest. Only lost one in the entire aircraft series! :cool:

wags3539 01-29-2010 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by UnlimitedAkro (Post 753890)
I thought of some other pointless questions that anyone with zero life might actually answer:

1- What is the coolest flight number?

2- Which pen is the most professional?

3- Which pilot is the greatest?

Get a life :o

1) Easy...Iron Maiden Flight 666

http://neatorama.cachefly.net/images...n-airplane.jpg

The Juice 01-29-2010 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 753859)
The safest plane is the one that never leaves the ground


One word....Tenerife.

Lowlevel 01-29-2010 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by UnlimitedAkro (Post 753890)
I thought of some other pointless questions that anyone with zero life might actually answer:

1- What is the coolest flight number?

2- Which pen is the most professional?

3- Which pilot is the greatest?

Get a life :o

My answers:

1. Coolest flight number - 69 (of course)
Worst I ever had was 666 (don't even know why the airline uses that one!)

2. The Marriott hotel pen far out performs the Holiday Inn pen

3. Everyone knows it's Sully! Just ask the media!

Lowlevel 01-29-2010 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by SilkySmooth (Post 753982)
Not true:( I often tell passengers that the taxiing around the airport is one of the least safe places to be. You just never know when some big Delta jet is going to land on a taxiway!:D

HAHA! LMAO! Heehee (still giggling!)

I think he meant the safest plane is one that is in a hangar with the engines off.

BlueMoon 01-29-2010 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by Lowlevel (Post 754066)
HAHA! LMAO! Heehee (still giggling!)

I think he meant the safest plane is one that is in a hangar with the engines off.

We have a few of those over here at OH.

Jetlinker 01-29-2010 04:55 PM

I'll go with the 757. I can't think of one crash that aircraft has ever had that was due to some mechanical problem or design fault. Same goes for the EMB-145. And those are flown by 'regional pilots' :eek: with many more cycles per day than a 757.

Boomer 01-29-2010 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 753852)
The space shuttle lost 20%...

Lost:
Challenger
Columbia

Not Lost:
Enterprise (glider)
Discovery
Atlantis
Endeavour

That's 33.3%

Superpilot92 01-29-2010 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by iPilot (Post 753844)
I remember hearing a long time back that there has never been a fatal accident in a E-145. Seems far fetched but does anyone know for sure?!

As far as i know this is a true statement. Its a very safe airplane

PinnacleFO 01-29-2010 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by UnlimitedAkro (Post 753890)
I thought of some other pointless questions that anyone with zero life might actually answer:

1- What is the coolest flight number?

2- Which pen is the most professional?

3- Which pilot is the greatest?

Get a life :o

I really didnt think this thread was that stupid, I thought it might be actually a interesting one. You are entitled to your opinion though. I thought it would be a change of pace thread, not one that is doom and gloom, or full of false rumors. Does everyone else think this is stupid?

Hugh Jorgan 01-29-2010 05:37 PM

What about the Brasilia?

OOInverted624 01-29-2010 05:44 PM

The Brakillya? No way. ASA lost 2 airplanes due to prop failiures. Continental Express lost one as well back in the early 90's due to a flight control failure in the horizontal stab. Comair crashed one due to icing as well.

Lowlevel 01-29-2010 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by BlueMoon (Post 754088)
We have a few of those over here at OH.

Oh, they actually keep them inside now? I got used to seeing them littering the maintenance tarmac when I was at recurrent! Of course, it has now been a year since I was furloughed, so I don't know what's going on at OH (and I don't think the people there know either!).

NoStep 01-29-2010 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by PinnacleFO (Post 754113)
I really didnt think this thread was that stupid, I thought it might be actually a interesting one. You are entitled to your opinion though. I thought it would be a change of pace thread, not one that is doom and gloom, or full of false rumors. Does everyone else think this is stupid?

Nah...not stupid at all! Kinda' fun way to talk airplanes without trying to p*#s in anybody's Wheaties.

Maybe "UnlimitedAkro" hasn't been inverted in awhile!;)

NightIP 01-29-2010 06:27 PM

Damn, here I thought I typed in airlinepilotforums.com, not airliners.net. :o

HSLD 01-29-2010 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by PinnacleFO (Post 753830)
Just curious, If you had the worlds best flight crew at the controls, what airplane do you feel safest in when deadheading in the back?

With the world's best flight crew at the controls, aren't they all 100% safe? I mean really, the world's best flight crew would be able to deal with any emergency to a successful resolution.

Big difference between safe and reliable, and I think both hinge on the corporate culture of the company operating them and not necessarily the engineering philosophy that designed them.

NoStep 01-29-2010 06:42 PM

I vote for the Ford Tri-Motor!!

FlyJSH 01-29-2010 11:16 PM

The Brits I used to teach always told me how the Concorde had never had an accident. After they lost the one after take off, I ran the numbers: if 737s had the same loss rate per hour as the Concord, there would be a 73 going down every two or three days.

JoeyMeatballs 01-30-2010 06:26 AM

I vote V-Tail

Lowlevel 01-30-2010 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 754300)
The Brits I used to teach always told me how the Concorde had never had an accident. After they lost the one after take off, I ran the numbers: if 737s had the same loss rate per hour as the Concord, there would be a 73 going down every two or three days.

Yeah, but the Concorde crash was not due to mechanical/design flaws. That would be like saying Delta 767's have a flaw that makes them land on taxiways sometimes:eek:

Cause of the Concorde crash: Continental Airlines (non-standard installation of the metal strip that fell off a DC-10)

Lowlevel 01-30-2010 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 754352)
I vote V-Tail

I'm sure Buddy Holly, Richie Valence, and the Big Bopper would disagree!
But then again, I would call that Pilot Error.

Avroman 01-30-2010 07:06 AM

What, no love for the mighty 146/Avro?

PinnacleFO 01-30-2010 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by HSLD (Post 754141)
With the world's best flight crew at the controls, aren't they all 100% safe? I mean really, the world's best flight crew would be able to deal with any emergency to a successful resolution.

Big difference between safe and reliable, and I think both hinge on the corporate culture of the company operating them and not necessarily the engineering philosophy that designed them.

Way to answer a question with a question!

Airway 01-30-2010 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by Lowlevel (Post 754066)
HAHA! LMAO! Heehee (still giggling!)

You giggle?

Anyways, I think it's a decent question considering we all have our opinions on this sort of thing. Part of the Airbus 320 series' design involved keeping pilots from killing themselves and their passengers. Unfortunately, they haven't coupled the controls to the EGPWS (at least I don't think) to keep pilots from flying themselves into mountainsides. And since they haven't been able to conclude what happened to Air France off the coast of Brazil, we can't really have a conclusive opinion based on that.

Statistically, you're way less likely to die on a 777 or an A340. RJs do pretty well too. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I can't think of a CRJ accident that didn't involve pilot error?

andy171773 01-30-2010 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by Lowlevel (Post 754120)
Oh, they actually keep them inside now? I got used to seeing them littering the maintenance tarmac when I was at recurrent! Of course, it has now been a year since I was furloughed, so I don't know what's going on at OH (and I don't think the people there know either!).

Actually a whole lot of them are inside ASA, Pinnacle, and Skywest Hangers :-\

Or inside our own hangers with the engines literally OFF......

Dougdrvr 01-30-2010 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 754352)
I vote V-Tail

If it wasn't for the Bonanza, the world would be over run with doctors and lawyers......

The Juice 01-30-2010 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by Dougdrvr (Post 754426)
If it wasn't for the Bonanza, the world would be over run with doctors and lawyers......

That is funny :D


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