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Old 07-07-2006, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ryane946

I personally feel an AA degree doesn't mean anything (in flying). There is practically no difference between a high school degree and an AA degree to the airlines (except that you are more educated). Since you know the importantce of college, you should get a 4 year degree.
I agree. If you are going to get a 4 year degree (which you really need to be competitive) I would get it in something that you can use to fall back on. I did that and it was the best decision I ever made. Good luck!
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Old 07-07-2006, 04:14 PM
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Right, I completely understand the importance of the 4-year degree. But the way I see it, I'll be in for 4 years, working and more than full-time job, it'll be highly unlikely to get that done within my 4 years, so I'd like to have at least an AA done, and have as much done towards a 4-year when my enlistment is up, was what I was trying to say.

Uncle Boss, I hear on that. I'm hoping I'll be able to get something done. If not, I'm not going to stress, Ari Ben as well as Skymates accept GI funding, so I can use that towards a Professional Pilot Course, something I'd rather not do, because I'd like to use that towards finishing off my BA during flight training/CFI-ing.

I guess we'll see when we get there. :-)

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You sound like a pretty sharp guy...once you get into the fleet check out the seaman-to-admiral program. You need some college credits I believe, but if you are accepted you can go directly to OCS, flight school, the RAG, then an operational squadron tour. After your squadron tour, the Navy sends you to a civilian college to finish your degree with full active duty pay and benies at the O-3 level. Hard to beat. Also apply to Annapolis; there are slots reserved for qualified enlisted that are often not used...all you have to do is meet the minimums usually, you don't have to compete with the congressional appointment pool.

Warning: Navy/Marine Air has a lot of helos...fun to fly, but it is difficult to salvage an airline career after 10 years as a helo pilot. It can be done, but might involve starting over in the fixed-wing world.

The Air National Guard has two major advantages:
1) You can sign up for fixed-wing, no risk of getting stuck in rotors.
2) You can build 121 experience at a regional airline while doing the guard.
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Old 07-07-2006, 07:10 PM
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just get your private and tell your commander you wanna sign up for flight training, then youll go right to a big plane with out getting raped in the regionals, and in 15 years you can go right to a major without getting raped in a regional

(ps. im sure someone already said this but i dont read the entire post)
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Old 07-07-2006, 08:27 PM
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hey coryk i have nothing for u buddy since i was not a military man but took the civilian route into aviation and am cfi-ing now hoping to get into the regionals by the end of this year.

but can someone please shed some light on the 4 year degree for me? i'm a dual australian and us citizen, and i've got one more year to go in my bachelors degree in health science from the uni of sydney. but in australia, my and many other bachelor degrees are 3 year courses, not 4.

does anyone know if my completion of a 3 year bachelor degree as opposed to a 4 year one will affect my chances of being competitive with the airlines?

any thoughts appreciated guys
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Old 07-07-2006, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
hey coryk i have nothing for u buddy since i was not a military man but took the civilian route into aviation and am cfi-ing now hoping to get into the regionals by the end of this year.

but can someone please shed some light on the 4 year degree for me? i'm a dual australian and us citizen, and i've got one more year to go in my bachelors degree in health science from the uni of sydney. but in australia, my and many other bachelor degrees are 3 year courses, not 4.

does anyone know if my completion of a 3 year bachelor degree as opposed to a 4 year one will affect my chances of being competitive with the airlines?

any thoughts appreciated guys
I believe that if you have a diploma that says "Bachelor's Degree" that is good enough. Check out some airline web sites and look at their hiring requirements...they usually do not specify 4 years, just the BS/BA.

Naturally they might be suspicious if your degree looks like it came from an online diploma mill or the Lower East Community College of Jamaica, but I think "University of Sydney" sounds authentic enough.
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Old 07-07-2006, 09:24 PM
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Are you referring to the Skymates at Arlington Municipal Airport in Arlington, Texas?
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Old 07-07-2006, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by coldpilot
Are you referring to the Skymates at Arlington Municipal Airport in Arlington, Texas?
Correct. I know you'll probably say they don't accept GI funding, as someone else mentioned. Just this weekend I was told by the folks at Skymates they are in the process of becoming an VA approved flight school. They said it will happen shortly.
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Old 07-07-2006, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
You sound like a pretty sharp guy...once you get into the fleet check out the seaman-to-admiral program. You need some college credits I believe, but if you are accepted you can go directly to OCS, flight school, the RAG, then an operational squadron tour. After your squadron tour, the Navy sends you to a civilian college to finish your degree with full active duty pay and benies at the O-3 level. Hard to beat. Also apply to Annapolis; there are slots reserved for qualified enlisted that are often not used...all you have to do is meet the minimums usually, you don't have to compete with the congressional appointment pool.

Warning: Navy/Marine Air has a lot of helos...fun to fly, but it is difficult to salvage an airline career after 10 years as a helo pilot. It can be done, but might involve starting over in the fixed-wing world.

The Air National Guard has two major advantages:
1) You can sign up for fixed-wing, no risk of getting stuck in rotors.
2) You can build 121 experience at a regional airline while doing the guard.
Ya man! STA-21 for sure. Although you have it somewhat mixed around. If you get selected for STA you will first start out at NSI in Newport, RI then you head to an ROTC unit, although you must both get selected for STA as well as gain admission to the college you plan to go to, and you will have 36 months to complete a BA/BS degree. You must first get the degree approved by a detailer (they can figure out if you can finish in the appropriate time) once you do that, your off to OCS, commissioned, and then head to training for whatever area you were selected for. One thing about STA is that when you submit your package, you will be applying for a certain field, whether it be NA, NFO, nuke, intel, etc, etc. So if selected you will have it written in your contract which field you will be going to. Pretty cool IMO. BTW, I'll be applying for that every year, but I'm not going to ruin myself if I don't make it, I'll just have to suck it up at the regionals for awhile.
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Old 07-07-2006, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Darby67
I also recommend becoming an officer. The difference is night and day between enlisted folk and officer folk. I joined the Air Force for 4 years immediately after high school and have never regretted it. I then went to college and got all my ratings. I got out of college debt free thanks to Uncle Sam, but I also spent every dime I had in the process. Since you've already enlisted you're somewhat stuck. There are programs like boot strap and a.e.p.s. that have you go to college while serving and then you become an officer once you get your degree. These programs may have changed. I joined 20 years ago. Look into those. You can also look into palace chase which lets you transfer from active duty to the guard or reserve. Many states pay close to 100% tuition for their members. Getting into college ROTC isn't always easy, especially if your grades in high school weren't great. In the mean time, if you haven't been assigned a job yet, try to get a job in the Navy related to flying. I was an air traffic controller. That is a great job and it helps out immensely when you start pilot training. Try to find a land based job. You will have more time to take college classes. No matter what do the best you can at whatever you do. It is a long road. Don't give up!! Good luck.

Thanks for the advice. In all honestly I never wanted to be a "college-bound" kid, I like the adventure in life, while I'm young and single, mine as well commit to that statement. My high school grades weren't the best, partly because I lacked the desire... wasn't pushed hard enough. Thats why I made it a must for me to be enlisted military before I tried to accomplish anything as an adult. I need to experience, I need to strict lifestyle, and the yes sir/yes ma'am I will do as you ask mentality, and efficient work ethic. So in a sense, I'm not stuck, I'm right where I want to be.

Enlisting had nothing to do with flying, it was more about making me into a person that has more of a desire to accomplish things than the person I was throughout high school.

$hit... I hope I'm right
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Old 07-08-2006, 03:25 AM
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You have the right attitude to pave your own road dude...I didn't go to college...I learned life and it's hurdles by living it and exploring the world...The payoff?...I'm wealthy, CEO and Boardmember of a Corporation that I started, and have a great job flying an airplane around the world to boot...Eyes wide open and take it all in...You'll learn the opportunities that most colleges seem to overlook...Good luck!
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