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JoeyMeatballs 02-04-2010 08:14 AM

you kidding me, I don't WANT CAL'S work rules, XJT has far better work rules than CAL................


some of you guys need to educate yourselves and realize that ALL REGIONALS are not the same........

caborder2001, you are way way way way way off my friend, The pay is obviously a lot higher, but thats where it stops. Would I rather work at CAL, yes but XJT still has a better contract

logic1 02-04-2010 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by afterburn81 (Post 757049)
That's more of an ALPA/Union thing I think. Why if I work under the union named ALPA as a contractor is it that I'm treated differently by each airline I work for? That makes no sense. Pipe layers, electricians, steel workers, machinists, etc all seem to have the same pay, and work rules no matter who they work for as long as they pay their dues to the same union. In fact I think (don't quote me") that these union workers are phrohibited from working for less than bargained for to avoid undercutting. I'm not sure if this applies to independent contractors. Of course these guys get to choose which ever union they want to use and we are forced to be part of a union and have no choice what so ever. Pretty convenient if you ask me.

I guess we have no one to blame but ourselves. So we can talk about it on a forum all day but unless someone truly takes a stand, nothing will ever come close to changing.

Once again.....ALPA is not a union...it is an association of individual unions......the difference is obvious and huge!

Washout 02-04-2010 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 757706)
you kidding me, I don't WANT CAL'S work rules, XJT has far better work rules than CAL................


some of you guys need to educate yourselves and realize that ALL REGIONALS are not the same........

caborder2001, you are way way way way way off my friend, The pay is obviously a lot higher, but thats where it stops. Would I rather work at CAL, yes but XJT still has a better contract


I believe in the new proposed CAL contract they even reference XJT a few times for language.

JoeyMeatballs 02-04-2010 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by Washout (Post 758040)
I believe in the new proposed CAL contract they even reference XJT a few times for language.


yeah, they have some guys who helped with C '04 at Express over at CAL now and they are going for some really good stuff in their new contract

Washout 02-04-2010 07:46 PM

So I read...

dojetdriver 02-04-2010 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by Washout (Post 758040)
I believe in the new proposed CAL contract they even reference XJT a few times for language.

It's sad that a legacy has to reference a "regional" carrier as an example of what they should have in their contract.

Nothing new though, the contract at my former employer was negotiated in the late 90's, the work rules in that CBA were better what UAL had pre contract 2000.

nwa757 02-05-2010 08:59 AM

It starts with HR 3371..... go and vote on this webpage...

WashingtonWatch.com - H.R. 3371, The Airline Safety and Pilot Training Improvement Act of 2009
Your vote is important, my vote changed the results by 1%......



More here....
Transportation and Infrastructure Committee: Press Release :: T&I Subcommittee Reviews Safety Program

TonyWilliams 02-05-2010 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by logic1 (Post 757734)
Once again.....ALPA is not a union...it is an association of individual unions......the difference is obvious and huge!


An association does not take all my money, and then give me back what they want. I pay a due to an association. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but ALPA members pay directly to ALPA, not to their "local".

ATA is an association of airlines. They pay a due to be a member. The US is a member of the UN and NATO. All our tax money doesn't go to these entities and then "reimbursed" to the US.


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