Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 768279)

Requiring an ATP and a four year college degree will add to your life experience in obtaining them. And those life experiences in work ethic, maturity, professionalism, etc, (the intangible things) are what will make you a better pilot in judgment, interpersonal relations, etc, (all the intangible things) that is required of a captain other than aeronautical knowledge and stick and rudder skills.

Originally Posted by HermannGraf (Post 766397)

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Talk about Nonsense:confused:

The only Regional shrinking are the ones owned by majors (eccept for Mesa but that is another story) or do you mean that Republic, Skywest, GoJet, Pinnacle and even Colgan are shrinking?

The amount of 350 wonders hired 2007-2008 are not many at all like you would like people to believe. 2% of the Regional pilots actually. The FAA has the numbers. Check them out. Some Regionals kept 1000 TT and 100 ME even during 2007-2008. I should know as my Regional had that. My class 2007 had only guys with an average of 3000 hours and even a couple of guys with 7000 hours TT. All of them seemed to be able to afford the $23 for the first year as they where there.

You dont know squat and are just guessing without having done any home work and then you like to call others that done it for "nonsense".

Other you are an old fart at a major with very small windows, negative attitude and think he knows it all because he says so or you are a young punk that is bitter and thinks that is everyones else fault he can not move forward fast enough in his career. What ever you are you sure sound like voices from the 1930 and 40 in Germany, trying to blaim your problems on foreigners and who knows what else.

Maybe you should learn another language than English and get more global and try your luck in other places. I had 15 years as a Commercial pilot, worked for 3 companies, many thousends hours and more than 1000 just in Turbine time before I started with my Regional (you can call me wonder if you like) and I do not have a negative attitude like you because of that. I could be complaining that I should have been at a major instead but when I hear the attitude and what comes out from some of the major pilots mouth I am glad that I am at the Regionals where most do not have other options than just be humble. All roads are not easy, all are different and one has to do the best of it. I do not blaim others if i cannot move forward. that' for sure.

We all had to start at $23. I wish we could change the pay. Heck I want to get $123 to start but that is dreaming at the moment.

If you cannot afford to take a job then look for something else or try to change what Regional pilots are being paid in an active way or maybe just maybe you should think about even adapting your way of living to the $23 an hour for the first year like most of us had to.............:cool:

Originally Posted by jayray2 (Post 766790)

I read your entire post. What did I take out of context? You don't think people should be allowed to fly airplanes commercially in the US unless they are American citizens. There is nothing to twist. Am I wrong? I have no agenda, I just do not agree with you. You sound like the one with an agenda, you want the US government to protect your job from people that are legally allowed to work. Why? Because you don't think you can go work in Europe? I'm just curious, did Nidal Malik Hasan have the same security screening that you had? Yes, we are all so much safer with American pilots. Totally absurd argument to back your opinion. It holds no water whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed (Post 769287)

Don't get your panties in bunch. I merely stated preference should be given to US citizens. Nothing prevents legal residents from becoming citizens first and then try to get a job as an airline pilot. There's nothing absurd about this idea as it is being done already for many positions in the US. You must be another one from somewhere else with an entitlement attitude. Just because the concept does not appeal to you does not mean it is not logical or preferred by most Americans. Makes perfect sense for most people I talk to.

Originally Posted by Flyer1445 (Post 769048)

Don't get me wrong, I fully agree with your statement about obtaining an ATP and a four year degree as adding to your life experience. The point I was trying to make was that just because I don't have one, I shouldn't be classified the same as someone fresh out of high school who feels they "deserve" a part 121 job, but have never had any life or work experiences. I know that I don't deserve anything in this life, and everything I have ever had or done in my life has been with sacrifices and commitments. I made a mistake when I was in college by not finishing. It was a mistake (life lesson) that I learned from, and one that at some point in my life, I fully intend to fix. I also understand what you are saying about the things that make a person a captain, and I fully agree. It is about stick and rudder skills, but it also is much more than that. You take on many roles as captain and all your life experiences are what make a good captain better.