Originally Posted by twebb (Post 767771)

A shortage of pilots will increase pay...it did in '07 at the regionals for a brief moment

Originally Posted by twebb (Post 767771)

This rule is to benefit us 5-10-15 years down the road. My students concern was, if this law passes, they would never get an airline job out of college because they would need 1500 hours.

Originally Posted by twebb (Post 767771)

I also hear people say, "I've been told about a pilot shortage since the 80's, it's a lie." This was a known set of years when all these baby boomers would have to retire, and it was right, except it got pushed back because of the age 65 rule. In two years these guys have to retire, if we push these new rules today that will come out in 2 years, we just set ourselves up for something great within the next 10 years.

Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 769687)

Hi!

What about the guys hired with less than 200 hours?

Or the guys hired WITHOUT a commercial license?

Some of the regionals were obviously hurting REALLY BAD!!!

cliff
NBO

Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 766020)

I find these threads so funny, ironic, and sad.

There are a lot of wanna-be pilots and regional pilots who complain that a degree shouldn't be a requirement for an ATP and an ATP shouldn't be required for fly Part 121. Yet, they complain and whine about the regional companies lack of pay and aweful work rules. And they get upset when a major airline pilot gives them a good ribbing (reference the Colgan reaction to the Delta/Northwest reations of this year).

Regional flying is now the mainstay in this country. They're bigger than the majors. The jobs that the wanna-bes and regional pilots seek are in essence shrinking and losing market share to the regional companies.

There's no difference between a regional pilot and a major airline pilot. In fact, regional flying is pretty demanding due to the high ops tempo, weather/freezing altitude flying, and the low morale that comes with the crappy pay/work rules.

HOWEVER, when some of us major pilots suggest a way for the regional pilots to command more respect, more pay (for example, getting a college degree and making it a requirement for an ATP etc.etc.), they get angry with you. And they fail to see and understand that these are the things that will help them command more pay, respect, and thus stop the race to the bottom.

But no no no, someone has to point out that even a high schooler can fly an airplane and he/she's right. So can monkeys. But passengers don't want monkeys flying their airplane. So stop being a monkey!

If our passengers really knew about the flying experience and education levels of some of the pilots at regionals, I bet the demand for tickets on those flight segments operated by regionals would decline. The reality is, professional pilots don't get paid to fly airplanes, they're paid for the leadership, technical knowledge, and flying skills. It is time our country stopped dumbing down this profession and bring back the prestige it deserves.

Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 766020)

Regional flying is now the mainstay in this country. They're bigger than the majors.

Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 766020)

The jobs that the wanna-bes and regional pilots seek are in essence shrinking and losing market share to the regional companies.

There's no difference between a regional pilot and a major airline pilot. In fact, regional flying is pretty demanding due to the high ops tempo, weather/freezing altitude flying, and the low morale that comes with the crappy pay/work rules.

Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 766020)

HOWEVER, when some of us major pilots suggest a way for the regional pilots to command more respect, more pay (for example, getting a college degree and making it a requirement for an ATP etc.etc.), they get angry with you. And they fail to see and understand that these are the things that will help them command more pay, respect, and thus stop the race to the bottom.

Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 766020)

But no no no, someone has to point out that even a high schooler can fly an airplane and he/she's right. So can monkeys. But passengers don't want monkeys flying their airplane. So stop being a monkey!

If our passengers really knew about the flying experience and education levels of some of the pilots at regionals, I bet the demand for tickets on those flight segments operated by regionals would decline. The reality is, professional pilots don't get paid to fly airplanes, they're paid for the leadership, technical knowledge, and flying skills. It is time our country stopped dumbing down this profession and bring back the prestige it deserves.