Originally Posted by FlyJSH
(Post 759224)
That would be flying struck work. As a union member, you cannot be forced to fly struck work.
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Originally Posted by SrfNFly227
(Post 759483)
As I understand it, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, only flying that was being done by the striking pilots would be struck work. This means that if Delta operates 7 flights from DTW-ORF and each is by a different company, 6 of those flights would continue to operate after 1 company goes on strike. Those 6 routes are not "struck" work.
At any case 6 will be down to 4 soon as 2 of those, Mesa and Chautauqua will be dropped by DAL soon, according to most people. |
SkyWest will not fly struck work...didn't for Comair, won't next time.
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Originally Posted by SrfNFly227
(Post 759483)
As I understand it, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, only flying that was being done by the striking pilots would be struck work. This means that if Delta operates 7 flights from DTW-ORF and each is by a different company, 6 of those flights would continue to operate after 1 company goes on strike. Those 6 routes are not "struck" work.
Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed
(Post 759510)
No I think that is incorrect. First of all 3 of those 6 are DAL owned regionals so if one strikes, the other should respect the strike as all 3 are ALPA members. Only one likely to continue to fly will be SkyWest since they are non union. If SkyWest strikes, then the rest of the DCI should respect that also to support SkyWest pilots. Chautauqua pilots are Teamsters members and not ALPA so can't say how they will act.
At any case 6 will be down to 4 soon as 2 of those, Mesa and Chautauqua will be dropped by DAL soon, according to most people. As surf said, if airline X flies DTW-ORD 2 times a day, and Airline Y flies DTW-ORD 2 times a day and goes on strike, airline X continuing to fly their 2 and only 2 DTW-ORD routes is NOT crossing the line. |
It's imperative for our profession to insure that this additional experience gets put in the books. The first time a person is really in command of an airplane should not be at a 121 airline and that 121 airline should not be anyone's first flying job. That's the first step at making professional pilots (professional = being paid) how is someone a professional if they have never had a flying job before. Becoming professional as a pilot is meant for flying smaller planes without a boat load of passengers on board preferably teaching the craft itself for awhile for starters.
FO 121 Airline Minimums = ATP with 1500 hours, previous professional experience as a pilot, and a 4 year degree is what I say. Wages will go up if this happens too. No more 6 month wonder kids. (oh yeah, read speak and understand English too ;-) Lets go a step further and make Captain mins for part 121, 2500 hours and 1000 turbine engine. When regionals weren't hiring anyone with less than 1500 hours anyway there was still a large pool of applicants because the wage and benefit collapse from 911 hadn't happened yet. Now there are way less pilot starts in the country do to the erosion of the profession by airline managements and the supply of qualified pilots under these new rules will be much less. |
Originally Posted by Flaps50
(Post 759677)
It's imperative for our profession to insure that this additional experience gets put in the books. The first time a person is really in command of an airplane should not be at a 121 airline and that 121 airline should not be anyone's first flying job. That's the first step at making professional pilots (professional = being paid) how is someone a professional if they have never had a flying job before. Becoming professional as a pilot is meant for flying smaller planes without a boat load of passengers on board preferably teaching the craft itself for awhile for starters.
FO 121 Airline Minimums = ATP with 1500 hours, previous professional experience as a pilot, and a 4 year degree is what I say. Wages will go up if this happens too. No more 6 month wonder kids. (oh yeah, read speak and understand English too ;-) Lets go a step further and make Captain mins for part 121, 2500 hours and 1000 turbine engine. When regionals weren't hiring anyone with less than 1500 hours anyway there was still a large pool of applicants because the wage and benefit collapse from 911 hadn't happened yet. Now there are way less pilot starts in the country do to the erosion of the profession by airline managements and the supply of qualified pilots under these new rules will be much less. |
Originally Posted by Flaps50
(Post 759677)
FO 121 Airline Minimums = ATP with 1500 hours, previous professional experience as a pilot, and a 4 year degree is what I say. Wages will go up if this happens too. No more 6 month wonder kids. (oh yeah, read speak and understand English too ;-) Lets go a step further and make Captain mins for part 121, 2500 hours and 1000 turbine engine.
Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed
(Post 759681)
Well put. As I've said before, minimum for any part 121 carrier should be ATP, 1500 hours, prior professional flying experience including, CFI, Part 135, Freight etc, and College degree, fluent in the English language, preference to US Citizens.
And I see no justification to giving preference to US citizens (over, say, resident aliens) unless you're going to start requiring airline pilots to have security clearances (and there's no reason to do that). As a side, I wonder what an ATP min for 121 FOs would do to compensation for other sectors of the pilot industry (135, CFIs, ect.). I could see it creating a glut of low time pilots, leaving a larger number of CFIs to compete for potentially less students, driving down CFI pay even further. (for reference, I have a 4 year degree, a security clearance, and am currently applying to regional airlines with less than ATP mins) |
Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
(Post 759620)
SkyWest will not fly struck work...didn't for Comair, won't next time.
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Originally Posted by Nevets
(Post 759890)
Honest question, but considering that SKW have turned down three opportunities to unionize, why would it matter to the pilots to fly struck work? It seems as though you want your cake and eat it too. You don't want the stigma of flying struck work yet you also don't want to participate in the brotherhood that reinforces that stigma, so why would it matter to the pilots? I know why your management wouldn't want it, because they know if they can't provide the cake for their pilots to eat, the stigma created by the brotherhood the pilots continue to vote down will be enough for them to vote for it the next time. Seems like some sort of double standard from my perspective.
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21
(Post 759918)
Probably b/c most of those guys won't be at skywest forever, and most of the majors ARE union of one sort or another. I am curious if they have it in their contract that they don't have to fly struck work, if they actually avoided it before then perhaps they do.... of course I'm not sure how much skywest would be overlapping coverage with comair either...
But they don't have a contract. Their management is just smart enough to not force them into more of an awkward position they are already in. |
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