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The701Express 02-09-2010 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by IlliniPilot99 (Post 761235)
I disagree...it was a solid reporting for an attack but MOST definitely wasn't objective.


ULTIMATELY it didn't tell me anything that I didn't know before,



This has changed my view of the regionals (very little) but I thought it was a sub-par report

Illini, you make some very valid points.

What we all need to keep in mind is that this report wasn't meant for just pilots to watch. It's meant for the general American public to watch and learn from. So it's not as in depth as I'm sure many of us would like.

It's nice to finally see an accurate piece of journalism that addressed many of the major concerns that pilots have about the direction the industry has been going. I think if Mr. O'Brien had more time, more of these issues would have been addressed.

4andCounting 02-10-2010 05:00 AM

I wish they would have gone deeper into fatigue. But over all decent story. Its nice to see a report on aviation that is factual and not completely company bias.

covsting76 02-10-2010 05:25 AM

Dumb question... I am not a pilot but i noticed watching this show last night they said the FO on the Buffalo flight raised the flaps when the plane started to stall which they mentioned was a huge mistake... I was just wondering what a effect would raising the flaps have to an aircraft that was on approach to land?

Pielut 02-10-2010 05:29 AM

Simply put, raising the flaps would change the shape of the wing making it produce less lift at low speeds and in this situation resulting in a stall. Flaps allow the wing to produce more lift at slower speeds such as on an approach.

Not a dumb question at all.

PinnacleFO 02-10-2010 05:35 AM

I was impressed with Miles Obrien, I used to think he was just a CNN reporter with a private pilots rating, but he really dug deep, and he didnt let That Satanic Roger Cohen get around the questions..
Good Job Miles!

skidmark 02-10-2010 06:55 AM

Correct me if I am wrong but frontline didn't do a story about Comair in Lexington.

StrikeTime 02-10-2010 06:56 AM

For those who watched the video, please read the article below and then watch the parts where Roger Cohen was interviewed... pay special attention to his body language. You'll find an interesting correlation between his interview and the article below:

"Psychological research suggests that liars no matter how good they are always give off subtle clues that they are not being truthful if you know what to look for. The list below will help you go some way to 'spotting a liar'.

1. EYE CONTACT. A common misconception is that a person who is lying is unable to maintain eye contact. Nonsense: people break eye contact all the time - our eyes are moving constantly. In fact a person who is lying is more likely to unnaturally hold eye contact with you for this very reason as he thinks if he breaks it you will know he is lying.

2. BLINKING. A person who is lying will blink a lot,as blinking seems to correlate to the amount of mental stress we are under. In a normal conversation where a person is attuned to you, he will blink at roughly the same rate as you, often at moments when you pause in your speech. Be wary of someone who is blinking frantically as they speak with you.

3. SHOULDER MOVEMENTS. A person who is in easy rapport with you will often mirror your body position, which means if he was stood in front of you his shoulders would be parallel to your own. If he is uncomfortable with his own statements and is lying - he is may express this by turning his shoulders away a little. A shoulder shrug at the same time may again signify a lack of conviction in his own statements.

4. NOT USING I. A liar likes to distance himself from the lie and will normally be reluctant to refer to himself, whereas in normal conversation we usually refer to ourselves a lot. Watch out for less use of 'I', 'my', 'me' and so on.

5. BRIEF EXPLANATIONS. Although a person will probably become a little long winded when lying, he will conversely tend to be rather superficial in his descriptions of significant events. Embellishments are suddenly skipped over, and details ignored. If you ask a liar to expand upon his story, the chances are you will just get a repeat of what you've just heard, rather than filling in with more details.

6. SLOWING DOWN. Because a liar has to juggle different thoughts with one another and be careful of tripping himself up - his speech will slow accordingly. His language may become stiffer and more formal and there will more slips of the tongue and pauses in his speech that may be filled with 'er' and 'um' to give himself more time to think”

Reference:

LINDA PRESTON WORKS AS A PROFESSIONAL PSYCHIC & WRITER.HER WORK HAS BEEN FEATURED POSITIVELY IN NATIONAL MAGAZINES AND SHE IS A FREQUENT EXPERT GUEST ON VARIOUS RADIO SHOWS. SHE IS ALWAYS INTERESTED IN WHAT MAKES PEOPLE TICK . SHE CAN BE CONTACTED VIA HER WEBSITE.

Nevets 02-10-2010 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by carlomonte (Post 761248)
dont worry name change and its past! valujet=airtran

Yeah, I'm surprised they havent just merged the two companies and get rid of the Colgan name.

jdalbrec 02-10-2010 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by skidmark (Post 761438)
Correct me if I am wrong but frontline didn't do a story about Comair in Lexington.

exactly...there have been hundreds of other accidents but everyone is out for blood this time around it seems. I'm not saying things shouldn't change...but name me a regional airline that couldn't use some positive change.

Fishfreighter 02-10-2010 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by Nevets (Post 761455)
Yeah, I'm surprised they havent just merged the two companies and get rid of the Colgan name.

I'm sure this report will accelerate the merger and removal of the Colgan name. Think Valujet/Air Tran.


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