Who are they trying to fool?
 

It's a big joke. Scam on the American people, destroying the professional pilot career on the side.

This is what it reads under professional:

"Regional airline pilots are professional aviators who meet the highest standards, prove their safe flying skills through regular tests, and hold the most advanced certification issued by the FAA"

So I guess they do want the ATP minimum to go through. :D

ATPs for all would be awesome.

anybody else find it funny that in the video one of the first things he mentions about why he wanted to become a regional pilot is to better himself financially???

One Level of Safety, Two Levels of Pay

Check this out...they can't even get this right.....

FAQ One Level of Safety


This was written by someone who doesn't have a clue what they are writing about. Must have been Cohan himself.

That furloughed Comair pilot must've been pumped to put on his uniform one more time.

Two words:

Horse Sheet!

I have never seen anything this disgusting before. After all the effort to let the public know that the regional airplane they step onto is not the same as the major airline paint scheme it has. Now people will be able to cite this video as proof that regional airline pilots are just as safe and as well paid as the majors.

Oh yeah, and I love how he says safety is written all over their manuals, so it must be their highest priority. Really, what they mean is do whatever you can to make sure we make money. If that means pushing the limits of fatigue, weather, or whatever else go right ahead, but don’t hurt anyone or damage the aircraft because that will cost us more money.

I hope this guy got paid a lot for this. How many more have to die before the damage of this video is undone?

Omg!!
 

Anybody else notice that this canned BS spews rhetoric about EVERY SINGLE bullet point that the critics have against regionals and their pay, performance and training?

"Better myself financially..."

"Our training is better than mainlines....."

etc, etc.

All we need is for "Charlie" to issue sentiment about how proud he is that he gets to work 16hrs. a day and that his "hometown" airline hires to the bare minimums.

Yes, RAA, we noticed and are not impressed. What a load of #$%#!!!

I'm surprised he's able to talk by how tight that shirt is choking him. Must not wear it too much....

Does anyone know how much money the RAA receives? I just want to know how much money is wasted on a propaganda outlet instead of being used to actually increase safety.

His motivations for becoming an airline pilot are also very unique. Did he wake up one day, see an airplane and think, “Why not? I got these ratings a while ago so I might as well use them now.” Usually everyone else wants to be an airline pilot first and then gets the ratings.


Also, I am trying to think how going to a regional could improve his finical situation. I am trying to think of any full time job that pays less than first year pay at regionals, and I am stumped.

Being from KY, he probably lived at home with ma & pa, and worked at one of those drive-up cigarette shops and....oh wait...those people probably still make more money....never mind:D

I don't know why you say this. It's simply not true. 250 hrs is bare minimums. 1000 hrs is not.

Do you think a PROFESSIONAL airline pilot would go to work with the company pin missing from his hat? If he is so proud of where he works and what he has become then why isn't he in full uniform?

I can't believe this crap. It's just unbelievable. This Cohen guy is a bald face LIAR. How can we expose him for what he really is. People need to know that he's full of it, and is LYING to their faces.

Hopefully this DB's "home town" airline, doesn't decide to close his base, furlough, and displace him to another domicile where he'd have to commute. Poor Charlie. He'd have to look for a crashpad, share cramped space with other pilots....or he could move. Either way, it's money out of poor Charlie's pocket for decisions he had no control of. Gee, that sounds swell. I wish Charlie was the same color orange as our RAA friend from Frontline.

I figured it out....Stockholm syndrome!

I've flown with "pilots" who got sent to the line from the training department since we have no one left to train. This attitude is extremely prevalent from those guys, at least at my crappy regional. I just don't understand it, but call them "training center weenies".

You really believe that there is a single regional airline that hasn't hired a wet commercial pilot?

I really wasn't going for "facts" rather than sentiment but I seriously do believe that statement to be fact.

I just don't understand how Charlie can speak for every regional in the U.S...I gathered that he works for Comair but I don't have a clue as to how good their training is, safety record, ect... and I doubt "Charlie" has a clue about any other airline's training, hiring mins, and pay. If this were a Comair commercial it could be justified, but, who made this guy speaker of the house?

Numpty

RAA.....in the great words of Joe Wilson

".....YOU LIE....."

Did anybody else notice the coincidence that this guys name is Charlie Pilot?

oh...cohen is a tool.

He's a TOOL BAG!!!!!!

This Cohen dude is a piece of work!
Did someone knock out his front teeth for insidious lying ?

In watching, "Flying Cheap", his false teeth parallel his false interpretation of the regional industry.:D:D

Roger Cohen: Pilot training, qualification standards make regional airlines safe for fliers : The Crash of Flight 3407 : The Buffalo News

Charlie can only be a management pilot and has gotten way too close to the big guys that he is getting the crumbs of their pie.. This is the kind of Horse pile that RAA comes up with?? If he really wanted to send a clear message he should have preached about how for that safety we give we are not compensated for.... Thanks Charlie I feel better already.... (Bite me!!)

You got buddy thanks for playing.

Yours Truley
Roger Cohen aka Bill Lumberg ah yeaaaaa.

I can only assume you are talking about SkyWest because the guy in the video is a SkyWest captain. I'm sure there have been few exceptions, but SKW for the most part does not hire ridiculously low time pilots. If you want to accuse airlines of hiring 250 wonders, look to Mesaba, Mesa, Pinnacle, Eagle, etc... Even during the hiring boom of '06-'07, SKW held onto the 1000/100 requirement. The lowest they went was 800 with previous 121 experience and qualified on the CRJ. I'm sure at some point in it's history, SKW hired some low timers, but hey, so did all the Majors a long time ago. Just saying that SKW isn't the best example to go ranting about low-time, inexperienced pilots.

Dude, you are ruining the b##tch session about how the RAA is lying...c'mon, Deltapaysoon even said (in his critique of the lying RAA) that he was not going for "facts"...facts are only important when they agree with your position - so c'mon, get with the program.:rolleyes:

and the sad part is 75% of the same people b-t-chng about the hiring of wet comm pilots, were in fact wet comm pilots themselves when they got hired....

Boys and girls,

All I can say is follow the money. Who stands to lose the most if the conditions that regional pilots have to live with are exposed?

The RAA is not so much representing the interest of the Regional airlines, but rather those who stand to lose the most if that flying had to go back to mainline. This campaign isn't about restoring the public's faith in the regional airlines, but rather about economics. The reality is that safety equals training and safety culture, some regionals have both, others have none, and all the while the special interest groups in DC, have managed to keep the FAA playing along, it's all about economics!

This Cohen guy, has never worked a day in his life as a regional pilot, yet his a self proclaimed expert in our life style, and our segment of the industry, guys, the man is just a puppet for those that stand to lose the most if the regional industry was to go away.

goaround

Let's not overlook some other Cohen nuggets of "wisdom":

November 27, 2007:

• "Anyone who raises safety as an issue has some other agenda," said Roger Cohen, president of the Regional Airline Association. "The airlines are spending a boatload of money on training and recruiting."

June, 2009:

• "Cohen also flatly rejected the notion that because lower-paid regional airline pilots find it necessary to commute long distances to their domiciles, they suffer from more fatigue than their mainline counterparts. 'I grew up at the original long-haul mainline airline, TWA, and there were pilots flying out of New York that were living in Hawaii,” he said. 'The world’s most famous heroic American pilot, Sully Sullenberger, commutes from San Francisco to Charlotte, North Carolina.'"

So true. So irresponsible, inexperienced, and dangerous of me to put actual facts in such a discussion lol.

AMEN! Follow the Money! By the way, look at ALPA, they are complacent in that they don't listen to pilots, but follow along in lock step!

Not blood likely, Charlie is the # 2 guy on the seniority list on the Aircraft he flies and #18 overall in a pilot group of around 2700. He lives in his hometown where his Airline is based and commutes to standups by choice. He is also far from a "Company"man from my conversations with him.

My personal favorite part is their cherry-picking of work rules from the non-bottom regionals... oh look "ExpressJet explains their fatigue management policy clearly: If a pilot calls in fatigued, they are still paid for the trip. No questions asked. The airline does not penalize a crewmember for a fatigue call." Hmmmm and how is that policy working at Colgan, Great Lakes, Mesa?

"For example, American Eagle requires pilots have a minimum of 10 hours of rest before a shift and limits total hours flown in a month to 91 hours, while the FAA mandates nine hours of rest before a shift and caps total hours flown in a month at 100 hours."
Good for Eagle.. how about Gojet?

"In 2009, Horizon Air received the FAA’s highest award for the 10th consecutive year" How's TSA doing for maintenance?

"Pilots at the top end of the scale can make as much as $150,000 annually. First officers start at the lower end of the scale but rapidly move up as their years of service progress. Average pay for Captains in the industry is $73,919, while the average pay for a First Officer is $ 32,895.85." I'm curious who's making 150k? Let's note that no First Year FO's exist just about anywhere and talking about "industry average" is horribly misleading.

"Furthermore, many newly-hired regional airline pilots are fully paid throughout their FAA-mandated classroom and simulator training. "
Not Everywhere.

"Many airlines offer scholarships to any pilot seeking to increase his/her skills and pursue flight training at technical schools above and beyond the hundreds of hours provided by the airlines."

Who? I'm curious.

Who the heck makes 150K a year at a regional?!?!? I'd like to see the math on that.

A 20 year check airman at Horizon who picks up premium pay to fly as an FO. That's about the only ones I can think of.