Accrueing seniority while on furlough
 

At ASA do you accrue seniority while on furlough. I read the contract and it seems that you do. I just wanted to make sure I was understanding it correctly. If so, does that mean when I get recalled I will pick up on the pay scale where I would have been had I not been furloughed? Thanks

If it's anything like Comair, then furloughs accrue seniority (i.e. your spot on the seniority list,) but not longevity. Longevity is what pay is based on, so the answer is probably no. You will not go back to the pay scale you would be at now.

When you are furloughed you are worthless to the company, you don't work for them. Why would they give you longevity? The only thing that connects you to them is the seniority number you keep. When I was given my recall notice the CP said that I would even be under probation since I was furloughed before the 12 months.

who knows....haha....maybe we will find out next year.... :)

This quote is a little odd to me. It is hard to actually know what the contract says since I don't work there. From the quote you posted it sounds like all furloughs accrue seniority, and then you would accrue longevity while on furlough and receiving pay in lieu of notice (whatever that means). You can clear this question up real quick by calling you're local union rep.

Sounds like you accrue seniority and logevity until recall...if you pass recall longevity stops.

It is really poorly written. Pay in lieu of notice is what you get per the contract if you've been at the company for more than one year and they tell you one day you are furloughed. For most it is 30 days pay. This is what they can do instead of giving you 30 days notice. If you've been there longer there are longer periods they are required to give you.

So what that quote says about longevity is that if they don't give you the required days of notice and opt for pay in lieu of notice, you still accrue longevity for the period that they have to pay you.

[quote=Purpleanga;766069]When you are furloughed you are worthless to the company, you don't work for them.

unless they need to count you for an arbitration for a wind-fall for the company.

Negative.

§23.A.3 paraphrased says that people who have >1 year longevity are entitled to 30 days of advance notice (which the original 80 received even though we were not entitled to it) or could be furloughed at any time without notice, as long as pay is given for 30 days after the notice. Or it could be a portion thereof eg. 10 days notice and 20 days of pay, 1 day notice and 29 days of pay, 24 days of notice and 6 days of pay, etc.

§23.A.6 only guarantees 30 days of longevity from the day the furlough is announced.

For example, if ASA had announced the furlough on March 31 effective April 1, you (if >1 year) would accrue longevity through April 30.

That wording sounds entirely too weird.... There is more to it. We all know it never truely is black and white. ASA management seems entirely TOO smart to allow their pilots to continue to gain LONGEVITY while on furlough. I do not believe there is ONE single airline out there that does that, so ASA would be a first. As a former furlough, I had to come back and work three months before I recieved my 2nd year pay. I was on property for 9 months, thus my LONGEVITY stopped at 9 months... Then when called back I had an, "Adjusted New hire date" in which all my furture payraises were based off of. It so happen to be exactly 90 days from the date of my recall....

Seniority is a given I believe at most. As long as your contract does not say you only have recall rights for a set amount of time. Then I believe if that time expires the company can do whatever they wish... Again I do not believe there are many of these out there any more.... I would contact your furlough rep or local union status rep and get an answer... The INTENT of a contract is something a lot of line pilots simply do not know... Only the few whom negotiated the contract seem to TRUELY know what the intent behind a lot of the BS is...

Actually, Delta Does. When we merged, all the NW guys who were out on furlough post 9-11 went from 1st or 2nd year pay to 4th or 5th year pay when the JCBA went into effect.

As far as I know, we're the only (other, if ASA does,) airline that does that, though.

Reading the fine print, though, the "pay in lieu of notice" sounds like furlough pay (you're on furloughed but getting paid for a set period - kinda like severance pay.) So I would interpret it as you only accrue longevity while being paid - but I would definately ask a rep for clarification.

We accrue longevity at NetJets also. The company is going to love getting us back at year 50 pay / vacation.:rolleyes:

At DAL you accrue Longevity while on furlough. I guess you technically accrue seniority, but only through attrition as there obviously isn't any hiring going on because you're on furlough.(Assuming you're NOT on by-pass recall)