You're a union rep, c'mon now, Screen what you say and try to have a little faith?

it's extremely unfortunate i work with mentalities such as this. this extremism ridiculousness brings down the profession.


can you see his argument at a mainline MEC meeting?

us airways pilot: i make less than a delta pilot, i failed personally
delta pilot: we might take a paycut, cause we failed somewhere along the way. 30k a year is ok with to fly a 777.


i mean c'mon seriously. i am glad that a majority of people don't think like this, but its the cancer that defends republic/mesa/colgan and poverty wages that management loves.

Wow, where to begin...you can't get respect by demanding it, especially when you're an accessory to BB's shady actions. I'll go out on a limb and say that the 400+ Midwest pilots along with many of us at other carriers won't quit giving you garbage and not just because you are cheap as you say. You guys just don't get it. You're inflated, misplaced sense of entitlement to lowball wage jobs that were somebody else's six figure career and weak excuse you're powerless to do anything but be helpless lemmings to your shady mgmt, speaks volumes. On the other hand, if you really believe you're helpless, you are. Like it or not, you were willing accomplices in the decimation of the Midwest guys' careers and ongoing watering a down of an entire profession--that rap is on you and always will be. Yah things change in the world too. Iran's getting a nuke, should we give that a chance just because it's change?

I was trying to be sarcastic :)

I have another name for them but I can't say it on this forum.

C-series
 

I flew DC-9s several years ago. Great airplanes, built like bridges, but man did they burn gas. Plus they left soot trails that zig-zagged across the sky, that corresponded to the noncommittal wandering of our antique VOR needles. I'm actually excited by the advance of technology, even if 787s and C-series jets are likely to make everything else obsolete.

Unfortunately this thread has drifted into an ideological battle. I've read Ayn Rand, but I've also been in this business for twenty-two years. The people who are being called communists here are the very people that I trust to walk the line with me. For those who haven't figured it out yet, effort is required from all of us, every one of us, regardless of what uniform you wear, in order to keep management from tearing everything down around us. Do you really think Bedford wants to pay you $37 to fly this new airplane? No way; he knows people will do it for $20.

Depending on seniority integration, I might get to fly these new airplanes, but I will retain my dignity, dignity for the entire profession. I won't come back just to help lower the bar for everyone. There's more to life than shiny jets.

Yes they are. Thanks for noticing.

Only an airline pilot could find fault in taking a little personal responsibility as opposed to blaming everyone else but himself. Your complete lack of understanding on what I was trying to say surprises and saddens me. And that argument is EXACTLY what I wish had taken place at a mainline MEC. Maybe then you guys wouldn't have given away the keys to this industry long, long ago.

I'm a Union Rep, I do my thing, and I'm going to get what's mine. And I'm not going to apologize to any of you while I do it. I mean, everyone keeps saying how we need to "raise the bar" and "hold the line" so you guys should be excited about that. If I get what I demand from this contract then you'll all be saved right?! But you all want to sit around and argue about a 7.5 year old contract signed when the biggest airplane on property was 50 seats and the airline was 25% the size it is now. Have at it.

Ok. Ball is in your court. Prove us wrong and you will get respect..

Rugged individualism = "don't have much opinion of my own"?

Businesses try to increase in size all of the time, mainly by buying each other or forming associations such as the Chamber of Commerce or the Air Transport Association. I think perhaps these should be called "collectives".

Me a hypocrite? If so, then why is it less hypocritical to praise the magic of the marketplace when businesses try to combine and collude for profit and condemn workers for attempting to form unions and achieve bargaining leverage?

I remember a conversation with a former co-worker who shared the same fundamentalist, right wing, sanctimonious world view. She described watching video of Katrina victims signaling rescue copters from the roofs of their homes, just protruding from the flood waters.

"It's their own fault. They should not rely on the government for salvation. They should take responsibility for themselves." I wondered aloud if she would feel the same way watching her own toddler die of thirst on the hot roof? Would she pray to her maker for salvation even if it came in the form of a black one-world governement helicopter?

Snarky and Mama, why not go totally Galt? Withdraw from this failed society of whiners and shirkers. Gather a small group of other really gifted folk, find a remote valley, and concoct a wonderous system of mirrors to prevent it being spotted by over-flying RJ's. Build a utopia, just the handful of you, with no laborers, no wages, no thieving unions, no health insurance, and no need of law enforcement or dispute resolution.

A previous poster said it better than I; any philosophy most strongly advocated in sixty year old bad fiction with ponderous dialog and strange sex scenes is worthless.