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The Juice 03-04-2010 07:47 AM

I sent my letters off.

You all might wight to double check on who they have as your U.S. Representative is. Mine was wrong so I had to find the correct one. Sending a letter to the wrong US Rep is like sending the letter to my Grandma, it would be received but not taken seriously.

Are any of the other airline unions doing anything about this?

If they are not doing anything now is the time to write your union and tell them do actually earn their dues.

5ontheglide 03-04-2010 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by DashDriverYV (Post 773059)
As a professional air line pilot, your constituent, and a member of the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA), I urge you to oppose S. 3048, a bill by Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) to mandate the use of cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and flight data recorder (FDR) information for discipline, rather than its intended use for safety investigation.
This bill seeks to use CVR and FDR information to punish individual pilots, rather than to promote and support the proactive safety culture that our industry needs to protect passengers, crews, and cargo. This bill will threaten aviation safety, compromise the accident investigation process, and squander financial resources that could make established and proven aviation safety programs even more effective.
Every airline flight is unique due to weather, equipment, distance and other operational factors. Pilots are expected to work as a team, communicate effectively, and supplement one another’s skills and experience to continuously evaluate and adapt to the changing operational environment of each individual flight. The chilling effect of having conversations and flight data monitored and evaluated out of context for possible disciplinary action by corporate managers who may have motivations other than safety would be substantial.
Pilot performance is currently monitored randomly through the Line Oriented Safety Audit (LOSA) program which uses trained observers in the cockpit. As a commercial pilot, I must also pass at least two annual check rides. Existing safety programs such as LOSA, Flight Operations Quality Assurance (FOQA) and Aviation Safety Action Programs (ASAP) are voluntary, nonpunitive initiatives that use data and pilot reports to detect safety issues. These programs are critical to aviation safety and misusing recorder data will jeopardize these proven programs.
I urge you to oppose S. 3048 and any legislative attempts to use CVRs and FDRs for anything other than their intended safety investigative purposes.


This is a very weak response at best to this major issue. The only thing that appears to adequately address the point is:

"The chilling effect of having conversations and flight data monitored and evaluated out of context for possible disciplinary action by corporate managers who may have motivations other than safety would be substantial."

Other statements are ill-contrived and whiney. If I was a know-nothing senator who thinks the media covers aviation well - HA. I would be saying to myself - "well the current system doesn't work, so let's try this!"

We need a better template! Let's spend some time developing something worth-while and better thought out.

DashDriverYV 03-04-2010 08:13 AM

Remember who we are dealing with. These Senators and Congressmen have huge Ego's. Bigger than most Airline CEO's. I think the tone is humble enough that when it is read, the reader doesn't feel intimidated by the content and put up guards. Instead there is enough there that they may use in a committie debate and make it sound like their own original thought.

robthree 03-04-2010 10:52 AM

Find Your Senator
 
The full text of the bill is here:

S. 3048: A bill to improve air safety by authorizing the limited use by air carriers of information... (GovTrack.us) (Limited use my ***. Limited to using it against pilots.)

You can find your Senator here:

U.S. Senate: Senators Home

Many have web forms where you can express your opposition to S.3048, instead of using regular e-mail.

Might also be a good idea to also contact the Committee Chair John Rockefeller Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) and ranking Republican Kay Baily Hutchison United States Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison

BoilerUP 03-04-2010 10:55 AM

It will also be important to remind Harry Reid & Nancy Pelosi that labor helped the Democrats get elected in 2008....and remind Mitch McConnell that the 2010 election ain't too far off...

AirWillie 03-04-2010 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 773198)
It will also be important to remind Harry Reid & Nancy Pelosi that labor helped the Democrats get elected in 2008....and remind Mitch McConnell that the 2010 election ain't too far off...

They're only about 98. They only care about now.

ExperimentalAB 03-04-2010 05:31 PM

elcid, you stirring the pot?? ;)

Jetstream 823JS 03-04-2010 05:58 PM

It is not important what is in the body of the letter.

Just make sure the subject window says against senate Bill S.3048

sinsilvia666 03-04-2010 06:03 PM

add demint to the scab / nofly list

and as said before record all poiticians doings verbally and visually

Zapata 03-04-2010 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by 5ontheglide (Post 773102)
This is a very weak response at best to this major issue. The only thing that appears to adequately address the point is:

"The chilling effect of having conversations and flight data monitored and evaluated out of context for possible disciplinary action by corporate managers who may have motivations other than safety would be substantial."

Other statements are ill-contrived and whiney. If I was a know-nothing senator who thinks the media covers aviation well - HA. I would be saying to myself - "well the current system doesn't work, so let's try this!"

We need a better template! Let's spend some time developing something worth-while and better thought out.

Do you think that Congressmen actually reads the letters? Their staff just compiles opinions and gives a summary to the Senators and Representatives.


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