Being a hater on an online forum is really cool too!

From another thread, this post from 2/4/2009. I'm confused.

(Thought I'd seen the s/n before just didn't remember what from)

For the record, I don't consider all of those airlines to be on the same level, that was the original quote.

According to climbto350.com you have to have 1500 TT and 200 MILTU to do the Colgan. I'm out! Not sure where I could get the 200 MILTU.

I would suggest visiting Chad

Miltu language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm sure someone there can teach you the language :D

I hear ATP flight school is setting up a 10-day rapid training course in Miltu :p

Normally I use the site for it's intended use; info, gauges, technical discussions etc. and rarely decide to get involved. However, after continually reading your posts, I figured it was time.

Although there are many, I'm not sure I've ever heard a more negative, angry and poorly informed pilot. How does one get such an attitude of entitlement? You work for a regional airline, Pinnacle at that! Do you troll the forums in hopes there is a new Colgan thread to display your ignorance? Sad! I can assure you I see both sides and am in no way defending Colgan, nor should I have to. Please leave the forum responses to those who are actually informed. And the guys who are looking to join the industry, misguided or not, deserve an answer worth reading. Keep your immature comments to yourself or the guy sitting to your left in the cockpit.

Go fly 135 freight. Amflight is hiring

Yeah, Amflight is so much better than Colgan.:rolleyes: Go work for a non union airline and enjoy your $100 raise/year you get from 1st to 2nd year.

POST OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!

Well done :)

IC ALL is done as a mod. I think everyone decided it was time for his time to be up. He is now back to his other forum screen name, a non mod position.

From what I understand they fly Monday to Friday 3-4 hours a day and are home nearly every night. As a first year Clogan FO you have to fly 90+ hours a month to earn the same monthly pay you do at Ameriflight flying 50-70 hours a month.

Less work, home pretty much every night, and M-F schedule. I think I know which one I like.

Depends on where home is I guess. When I was a Colgan FO the base was 5 minutes from home and I had 16-17 days off a month and a cushy side job teaching in a Sim that paid $40 an hour. Ah the old days...

1st yr Amflight: $2,300/month. Pic multi piston, Turbine PIC upgrade w/in 6 mos to a year

1st yr Colgan: $1,575/month Sic multi turbine. Upgrade time?

Oh yes, the quick upgrade time...:rolleyes:

No he's not. Get that seniority number so that you can move on to better things.

I thought we went through this a couple of threads back, even some of tried to explain to you here. You need to be able to have a pulse. Be between the ages of 18-25 in good standing with your parents credit. Be energetic towards the company. Preferable bonuses are living 2-3000 miles away from base, having no experience with clouds, and pt 141 failures are ok too.

Seriously I don't understand why people care so much Colgan is probably the best airline to go to if you can stomach the regional life style there. From what I heard it sucks bad. But tprops usually upgrade faster so that you can move on to bigger things. Sounds good to me.

Is this true? I stopped counting all the warnings and bans after about 12.

He has been gone for a few weeks now. I think our current Mods do a pretty good job and allow threads to work themselves out before closing them down after one questionable post.

I mean, closing down the Comair thread after a few posts....come on.

Not sure who the Captain was but it was the FO I knew, Steve Dean, real good guy. I was watching the news at the time here in DFW and the local station reported a local pilot that was from here died in a crash, this was around 2003 or 2004, I sat straight up in bed when I herd that, we were instructors at a school together, anyway he was a good guy...

Confused about the hours I had a year ago, or confused about my "full-time instructing job" a year ago, or confused about my statement that a lot of bashers might actually change their tune if their circumstances changed? I left full-time management two years ago to get some multi time at a different school so I could try to "catch the hiring boom". Too late! I was quickly put in management and sales - again. Underpaid, so I went back to my original company and recently realized how much I want to fly instead of sitting at a desk and capping out at $60-70K with no real benefits.:mad: Now I want to fly!!:) Sure, someone might comment that I left one job because the working conditions were terrible and I was underpaid, so "why Colgan"? I can fly, finish my master's, get turbine PIC time sooner, and go work OVERSEAS - where they actually know how to pay pilots what they are worth!!

Can we nominate this statement right here for the "describe in 1 paragraph why all regional airline pilots get a rap for being retarded" award?

It is statements like these that show the mentality of pilots out there. And we wonder why the industry sucks.

Can you say, sarcasm? Note, the first paragraph of the same post:

What makes a CFI with 2000tt so much worse than a furloughed pilot that got hired with 250tt?

There are lots of furloughed guys who didn't get hired with 250 hours. A furloughed pilot is slightly more of a known quantity. He's already passed a 121 training program once, and therefore is pretty likely to pass again.
Nothing against CFI's just pointing out why it is an airline might want a furloughed guy.

Why is anyone applying to Colgan to begin with?

EXACTLY!! And these are the same guys who, after a couple of years, will be complaining about pay and QOL at the airlines. If there are pilots willing to work for a place like Colgan, nothing is going to change.

:mad:Tell your buddy to watch "Flying Cheap", a PBS special that aired last month. Follow that up with a little internet research and that should be all the "gouge" he needs!:confused::mad:

Because generally furloughed idiots use these regionals like prostitutes and move on the second they get something better, essentially pulling the ladder underneath us that want to be at the airline. The other important point is they want new meat because they don't know what goes on.

Er... I would say "The sum total of the experience the furloughed guy got between being hired and being furloughed"..

121 experience is huge, but there have been very good CFIs that aced the sim also. Hiring a guy with 121 experience seems like cheap insurance for colgan but, as others have pointed out, maybe that is not what they are looking for.

Exactly!
Also what about the CFIs that have 2000 hours flying C-152 around. They might not make it through the sim. The furloughed guys have already proven themselves.
Regardless, Colgan might not be bad if you didn't have to commute for them, yes the pay is horrible but pay will continue to go down every where as long as pilots keep believing in the whole age 65 pilot shortage idea.
Pilot shortage idea has always been a marketing tool to get students enrolled into flight schools. :)

FWIW guys, I got furloughed by Mesa and had a chance to come to Colgan but DID NOT do it... I didn't know much about this biz when I took the Mesa job, but it really opened my eyes. All my friends who work there say it's unsafe, a joke and they treat you like crap. I was fortunate enough to get my casino job back making $70k/yr part time... I have decided that I'm going to just make money, save up and wait it out. I will fly on the side to keep current and wait until conditions and opportunities improve. I realize one has to do what's best for themselves, but I would seriously really think about the choices that are made. I really wish I had gotten informed before my first 121 job, but that's life and I learned from it.

All I know is I wish that things would improve and I'm willing to wait it out. My best wishes to all of us and maybe someday this will be a real career again.

Take care

My interview, the worst guy in the sim was a furloughed 121 guy. No I'm not saying that 121 furloughed guys are bad pilots by any means. The 121 guy that is in our class right now is a hell of a pilot, but dont act like the other CFI's don't know how to fly. If I were hiring right now I would take the Instructor with a good checkride record, a mix of 121 or 135 and MEI time over a guy who has 1000hrs with 750 hrs CRJ200 time.

You want some gouge???

Don't work for Colgan!!! Its a horrible airline to work for and the new Mesa of the regional sector!!!!

There is my gouge!!!

Classy.......

Why are some so concerned about why Colgan is not hiring furloughed 121 pilots? Maybe the furloughed 121 pilots are already aware of the type of working conditions to be expected at Colgan and are not applying. If they are applying, then why are folks giving the experienced CFI's such a bad time? I would submit that if the CFI is _____ (insert derogatory term or phrase of your choice), for wanting to work for Colgan, then the experienced 121 guy who applied is even more so because he has learned little or nothing from his experience.

If you anti-Colgan (Mesa, Go-Jets, etc..) guys really want to help, don't come on an internet board as a faceless goon and tear apart guys looking for honest information. How about sending them a pm, exchanging emails and try getting together for a real conversation. Express your concerns, tell them what you've learned, and remember that the decision to take a job is an individual decision, and your not that individual. If you really want to improve the industry, be someone who's opinion is respected, not feared. You'll receive many more followers.

All good but I would also submit that the anti-Colgan posters have a point. Reputations are usually earned. Look at better regionals like SkyWest and you don't find many dissenters. I agree that everyone needs a first turbine job but I would also do due diligence when looking for one. Find a place you may want to stay. A poor economy, check ride failure, whatever could mean you may be stuck there for quite some time so don't just take the first fat girl that gives you attention.

I agree whole heatedly, my problem is with the method of information dissemination. Insulting peoples judgment, experience, character, and overall person completely destroys any possibility of a useful message reaching the end user. Even more so when the person doing so has never even worked for Colgan. A conversation with a current Colgan pilot who can answer questions candidly and explain things (no growth, no upgrade, not worth the sacrifice to work there), is much more useful than some self righteous jerk looking to elevate his self image by putting others down. However, were I a Colgan pilot, I would be hesitant to post for fear of endless flaming. If the information seeker does not know any Colgan pilots, the flamers have shut down what may be a one of the few resources a young pilot has for seeking useful information. I'm not in defense of poorly operated airlines, just the poor guys looking for work.

Agree whole heartedly.

Concur as it seems that these young pilots are being fed lies after lies about the Regionals from the beginning at the BIG schools especially and they basically don't know any better; yet when someone comes on here looking for information they are basically assaulted. Of course as bias as the flight school's information is, so might the information being passed out like candy on Halloween on an anonymous internet message board. It seems that people like to badger more than help. I've been guilty of this myself some in the past, especially when the answer has been given a hundred times before (like most questions on this board) or once advice is given and then argued with. Don't like someone's opinion about something that you asked for advice on - attack the person giving the advice. Sheez.
highnpressurizd - I like your approach.

USMCFLYR

Ding Ding Ding

We have a winner. More importantly why would a furloughed 121 pilot apply to Colgan when they should already know better. When will we stop Whoring ourselves out?:confused: