Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed (Post 781254)

Sadly, that is so true.

Originally Posted by Whacker77 (Post 781256)

Have you seen the unrest taking place in those countries where high union wages dominate? The Western European countries have highly paid pilots and their economies are failing or stalled at best. Just look at England. BA is set for a three day strike and Greece is falling apart. Higher wages in the foreign countries may not be all they're cracked up to be.

Originally Posted by NoStep (Post 778887)

Couldn't disagree more!
The Colgan crash families are operating under the false premise that politicians can fix this. (Whenever I've had a Mx problem, I always ask a gate agent to fix it)

Let's see if I got this right?
Renslow and Shaw both met every single requirement that's been proposed thusfar, (ATP's, 800-1,500 hours, multi-crew training, airline approved training for icing conditions, etc.) Neither one was a zero-to-hero at Colgan.

What would prevent this from happening again? Shut down places like Gulfstream and go up the rectum of Colgan's training department with a microscope, and put shady operators and the RAA on notice.

The families mentioned laud this STUPID proposal, and in turn enable the very pay-to-play places like Gulfstream that produced a pilot like Renslow. I'm I the only one who thinks the ATP and 800hour/icing compromise have nothing to do with this accident? I'm insulted that obviously not a single pilot is being consulted on this p.o.s. legislation?

Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 780937)

And many times what will a single sim tell you about a pilot?
How about a sim or a flight in an airplane that I've never been in before?
Will that be a fair assesment of my piloting skills?
How about if I told you that I would give you your DREAM job if you could pass a basic instrument qualification in MY simulator? I'm sure that I could make it more than you can handle 99% of the time.
No....training is actually a much better gauge of a pilot's skill than a one shot simulator session.

USMCFLYR

Originally Posted by imbroke (Post 781324)

Agreed, good training is the best case scenario! And I also agree that one sim session can't tell you much about how good of a pilot someone is, although it could certainly tell you how bad they are. I'm definitely not saying that the sim ride should be "more than you can handle", that would be worthless. I don't think a few approaches and some partial panel is "more than you can handle". At least it shouldn't be if you are trying to be an airline pilot. All I'm saying is it seems that the sim ride is so easy the way it is for some interviews that it is nearly pointless.

Originally Posted by Whacker77 (Post 781256)

Have you seen the unrest taking place in those countries where high union wages dominate? The Western European countries have highly paid pilots and their economies are failing or stalled at best. Just look at England. BA is set for a three day strike and Greece is falling apart. Higher wages in the foreign countries may not be all they're cracked up to be.

Originally Posted by ThrustMonkey (Post 781264)

So they trust that since the FAA signed off on 250 hour wonders flying right seat, its just fine (or in most cases ignorance is bliss). But when fully informed of what having said 250 hour wonder entails after a catastrophic accident, then they and the equally ignorant politicians look at it as "well the experts obviously didn't do things right and so now we will step in to rectify the situation". .

Originally Posted by slough (Post 781403)

What catastrophic accident happened with a 250hr person at the controls?

Originally Posted by SrfNFly227 (Post 781433)

That would be Colgan 3407 just outside of Buffalo. I am sure this is where you will point out the Captain had over 3000 hours total, but that doesn't change one simple fact about his experience. He was hired at his first airline job as a 250 hour pilot.