Deal made on hours of training for co-pilots
03-13-2010, 08:30 PM
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Deal made on hours of training for co-pilots
By Jerry Zremski
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Updated: March 13, 2010, 6:44 am / 2 comments
Published: March 13, 2010, 12:30 am
WASHINGTON — Senators have reached a compromise to dramatically increase the number of flight hours new commercial copilots need to get a license, though the figure falls short of what the group Families of Continental Flight 3407 was seeking.
Under a deal brokered by Sen. Charles E. Schumer and announced Friday, new co-pilots would have to have 800 hours of flight experience in specific, rigorous conditions, up from the current 250 hours of general experience.
Deal made on hours of training for co-pilots : The Tragedy of Flight 3407 : The Buffalo News
NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF
Updated: March 13, 2010, 6:44 am / 2 comments
Published: March 13, 2010, 12:30 am
WASHINGTON — Senators have reached a compromise to dramatically increase the number of flight hours new commercial copilots need to get a license, though the figure falls short of what the group Families of Continental Flight 3407 was seeking.
Under a deal brokered by Sen. Charles E. Schumer and announced Friday, new co-pilots would have to have 800 hours of flight experience in specific, rigorous conditions, up from the current 250 hours of general experience.
Deal made on hours of training for co-pilots : The Tragedy of Flight 3407 : The Buffalo News
03-13-2010, 09:10 PM
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Under the Schumer compromise, the FAA will have to set an 800-hour flight requirement for copilots by the end of next year. Some of that experience would have to be in multiple-pilot environments and adverse weather including icing, as well as in other specific conditions.
Most flight schools are in places where the weather is great, so there's no icing. Anyone ever heard of an aircraft certified for known icing typically used in civilian training? This will be interesting if it actually passes.
“We don’t want to have people coming right out of flight schools and right to the commercial airlines,” Kuwik said. “They’re going to have to do something else first. Their entry- level job is not going to be as a commercial airline pilot.”
Sounds like this bill will improve the experience of the average new pilot significantly if it passes in its proposed form - thank you families of 3407.
03-13-2010, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Sniper
I wonder whether 'multi-pilot' would require a plane that actually requires two pilots on its type certificate, or can two guys just hop in a C-152? One will log instrument and the other PIC, of course. Most flight schools are in places where the weather is great, so there's no icing. Anyone ever heard of an aircraft certified for known icing typically used in civilian training? This will be interesting if it actually passes.
Most flight schools are in places where the weather is great, so there's no icing. Anyone ever heard of an aircraft certified for known icing typically used in civilian training? This will be interesting if it actually passes.USMCFLYR
03-13-2010, 09:28 PM
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I haven't been convinced the ATP shouldn't be a requirement. Of course, my faith in congress is exceeded only by my faith in the FAA - if you know what I mean. Aren't they the same idiots who are contemplating monitoring CVRs for punitive measures? Air Transport aircraft should require an Airline Transport Pilot certificate, seem sort of obvious. Spare me the shrill cries from the Riddle grads...
03-14-2010, 03:42 AM
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I would have liked to see 1500 hours w/o restrictions. There are plenty of known ice airplanes out there. 402's, barons, king airs, etc. But how is a guy with only 800 hours going to get on a multi crew plane in the civil world. Realistically how many multi crew airplanes are out there in the civil world other then jets. And I don’t think an insurance company is going to stand for that. I guess possibly you could find a single pilot 350 and ask for a ride to build time but how many of those opportunities are out there.
03-14-2010, 04:11 AM
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The law of unintended consequences will undoubtedly come into effect here. When, in a few years, the regional airlines need to hire in significant numbers there will be very, very few pilots with the requisite experience.
What could this mean? Foreign pilots being imported en masse to operate US equipment.
Don't think this can't happen? It happens all over the world.
What could this mean? Foreign pilots being imported en masse to operate US equipment.
Don't think this can't happen? It happens all over the world.
03-14-2010, 04:39 AM
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They should just make it 1500TT. Unfortunately I know flight schools in Central Florida (and the students that go there) that are not only pencil whipping but also 'selling' pencil whipped hours. Very unfortunate and makes me very angry after I know that I (and the general pilot populous) have worked quite hard to get their hours legitimately.
03-14-2010, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by saab2000
The law of unintended consequences will undoubtedly come into effect here. When, in a few years, the regional airlines need to hire in significant numbers there will be very, very few pilots with the requisite experience.
What could this mean? Foreign pilots being imported en masse to operate US equipment.
Don't think this can't happen? It happens all over the world.
What could this mean? Foreign pilots being imported en masse to operate US equipment.
Don't think this can't happen? It happens all over the world.
03-14-2010, 05:27 AM
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They'll get the foreign pilots from Africa...oh wait, there is a shortage, so no.
They'll get the foreign pilots from the Middle East...oh wait, there is a shortage, so no.
They'll get the foreign pilots from Asia...oh wait, there is a shortage, so no.
They'll get the foreign pilots from S./Central America...oh wait, there is shortage, so no.
They'll get the foreign pilots from Antarctica???
Europe is even importing experienced pilots, and the T&Cs there are way better than the US, so I don't see that happening.
Alien pilot training on Mars will provide the pilots???
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They'll get the foreign pilots from Africa...oh wait, there is a shortage, so no.
They'll get the foreign pilots from the Middle East...oh wait, there is a shortage, so no.
They'll get the foreign pilots from Asia...oh wait, there is a shortage, so no.
They'll get the foreign pilots from S./Central America...oh wait, there is shortage, so no.
They'll get the foreign pilots from Antarctica???
Europe is even importing experienced pilots, and the T&Cs there are way better than the US, so I don't see that happening.
Alien pilot training on Mars will provide the pilots???
cliff
NBO
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