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Justdoinmyjob 03-23-2010 07:20 AM
Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 782611)
It's not that simple. Some airline's (ex DAL) have scope which specifies that a regional subcontractor who flies for them may not operate airplanes larger than X for anyone or any reason, including other majors or as a branded airline.
? Not too sure about this one. Depends on who you ask. There are some on the MEC who say that this is not the case, and some who say it is. Looks like an arbitration is in order here.

JustAMushroom 03-23-2010 07:31 AM
Originally Posted by HawkerJet (Post 782585)
True, RAH is operating the 190's as Midwest which they own, but how long till they do show up in United colors? A regional is flying a 100 seat aircraft, it will spread. Scope.

Pay is only part of the much larger issue looming for this industry.
Goodness.. I was simply saying this issue of 100 seat pay for Midwest/Frontier has nothing to do with scope because they're on a different certificate.

I don't see this 100 seat regional feed spreading to UA,AA,DA or any other large carrier because it would be like slitting your own throat (a topic which has been beaten to death).

WHEN SkyWest,XJet and the rest buy 100 seat planes to "codeshare" (which is different than regional feed) for UA or AA, etc.. this Republic deal will be the benchmark for those pilots wages.

ToiletDuck 03-23-2010 08:04 AM
Originally Posted by sizzlechest (Post 782582)
were you part of the negotiating EXCO in 2003 when the contract was ratified? No?..... that's what I thought. Don't claim to know what happened or the "why"s of what was negotiated.
Feel free to offer a better reason.

dojetdriver 03-23-2010 08:13 AM
Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast (Post 782532)
Things working against us:
Brian Bedford

Flyby1206 03-23-2010 08:39 AM
Originally Posted by Rightseat Ballast (Post 782532)
The company refused to negotiate new pay, and has removed the seatbelt from one seat, claiming that the 100th seat was deactivated, and therefore there is no reason to create a new pay scale.
Wow, they didnt even have the decency to physically remove the 100th seat. Pathetic. I am guessing BB knows he will lose this one in arbitration. Im also guessing things will drag on and on years in arbitration until that 100th seatbelt gets put back, so it will make $$ for BB until then.

Mason32 03-23-2010 08:44 AM
other things going against you are plenty of industry arbitrations, mostly by FA's, and industry common practices of removing from service a few seats to get under FAA limits and then need fewer fight attendants...

IE - taking a few seats out of service to get a 155 seat jet to only 149 seats and then needing one less FA... althoigh they typically remove the seat, not just MEL it.... how do you have a permanent MEL? do they fix it, then put it back out oif service on some type of schedule?

banja12 03-24-2010 10:59 AM
http://i42.tinypic.com/1zl6c61.jpg
Do you think they removed seats?

Boomer 03-24-2010 11:51 AM
Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 782688)
how do you have a permanent MEL? do they fix it, then put it back out oif service on some type of schedule?
The CRJ seatbelts are not deferrable, but the passenger seat is. The seat is repair category C, which means the MEL is only valid for 10 days after the deferral is made. I guess Embraer / Chautauqua have a different set of rules, or maybe their POI doesn't care.

duvie 03-26-2010 02:24 AM
Originally Posted by b82rez (Post 782607)
Sizzlechest is right. Do not pretend to know the logic behind negotiating poverty wages for half of the pilot group.
Of all the things to jump on someone for, I thought this issue is pretty cut and dry. Is there another reason/rationalization for the FO "commuter" pay progression (or lack thereof)?

crazy pills 03-26-2010 04:01 AM
Originally Posted by banja12 (Post 783265)
http://i42.tinypic.com/1zl6c61.jpg
Do you think they removed seats?
HA!! Too funny


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