New updates on FAA rest rules?
 

Anyone heard anything new? Last I heard on Jan 27th was that an update or opening for public comment was coming this spring. Heard from 2 other pilots that the rules would be in place by June of THIS year....anyone else know anything about it?

Its almost like the feds are hiding this for some reason?

The only thing published on the FAA website is the withdrawl of a NPRM from 1995:

Flight Crewmember Duty Period Limitations, Flight Time Limitations and Rest

The do however have a current NPRM that is open for comments until 4/9:

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2010/pdf/2010-2643.pdf

My guess is the FAA is just going to wait for congress to force them to do something :mad:

The April 9 ANRPM above is the post-colgan proposal which would mandate an ATP or enhancements to the CPL for 121 ops SICs. For the FAA, it is moving along pretty quickly, but we'll see what happens after the public comment period closes.

I'm not sure where the rest/duty rules went.

Ultimately it'll amount to them throwing us another 1/2 hour or so behind the door and then it's time to get back to work.

Basically, business as usual.

It had better be something solid, but at the least they need to add the wording "behind the door" to the regs. Since currently, if it's not in your contract, you're only getting time away from the aircraft. Biggest joke in the regs as far as I'm concerned. As much fun as it is waiting for the hotel van outside the terminal, I don't consider that rest by any stretch.

Come on guys. The FAA is OWNED by the ATA and RAA. As a result of the bad press with the Colgan accident, the FAA has to PRETEND to do something, only without really doing hardly anything. Hopefully Congress will take charge of it and FORCE the FAA to do something meaningful . . . like it appears they are doing with the stupid watered-down 800 hour experience requirement to fly Part 121 that the FAA proposed and the RAA figures is better than real safety of real airline pilot license.

My guess is that the lap-dog dolts at ALPA Delta that want a 9 hour fly day are going to get it (the ATA loves those guys) and there will be a tiny, inconsequential, and laughable increase in rest.

Here's the Jan 27th update, notice in the first paragraph it mentions an "aggressive time table" to have a proposal by THIS spring.
Fact Sheet
As far as the 800hr deal, it was increased once again to 1500hrs and sent back to the senate. Time to write our congressmen boys and girls. Let's get this done and join the rest of the developed world's airlines.

[QUOTE=HIREME Let's get this done and join the rest of the developed world's airlines.[/QUOTE]

"The rest of the developed world's airlines"...you mean like all those in Europe that do ab initio training and put 300hr pilots in Boeing and Airbusses?

sure...as long as we get the same cost/knowledge based training...but the post's topic was referencing Rest Rules...didn't think it would be too big of a jump to assume I was referring to rest requirements when mentioning the "rest of the developed world".

Messages sent....

Forgive me, how could I EVER have mistaken this post:

to think you were talking about anything other than rest rules :rolleyes:

hey boiler just so you know a lot of students that were at purdue before you were flying right seat in the 727 at ryan int'l with under 300 total time.

Not sure since that was a response to another post and not the subject of the thread...try to pay attention..focus
EDIT: reread my post...should've spaced that last sentance to make it more clear. sticking to topic, it's the rest requirements I'm interested in, not the hiring mins

Maybe. And where they also have high safety standards like in the US and most definitely have humane and appropriate duty regulations.

As a product of the Euro ab initio training, I can only say it was selective and tough. Not perfect, but it is not a joke like some folks make it out to be.

Ok well I'm almost certain that I heard the lady from the FAA tell congress we'd see the NPRM for comment by the end of March (when she was sitting in for Babbit on 4 Feb).

Of course we've gone from Jan to Mar already so who knows. Perhaps they're waiting on the scientific study for commuting and fatigue from the reauthorization bill.


EDIT: This is from page four of the hearing on 4 Feb.
http://transportation.house.gov/Medi...204/SSM_Av.pdf

Status of FAA Safety Initiatives Related to the FAA’s Call to Action
Fatigue: In July 2009, the FAA charted an ARC to develop recommendations for an FAA rule on
pilot flight and duty time. The ARC met its September 1, 2009, deadline and provided the FAA
with a broad framework for drafting a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) that the agency
planned to publish by December 31, 2009. The FAA now plans to publish an NPRM in April 2010.

Yes, I am aware of that.

Thanks samc

New FAR NPRM - Delayed Yet Again
 

I asked the FAA last week concerning this issue.

I have been told that it is currently with the "Bean Counters" at the OMB.
This is just part of the process and we all have to wait until September.

If there was any doubt the airlines spell safety like this ----> $afety....

+1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

+2. Airline slogan- Safety first, unless anything else is coming first that day.