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NoStep 04-07-2010 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by CFItillIdie (Post 791563)
And honestly, if they are not current on everything, the street is where they should stay. There have been a lot of people stuck in CFI positions that have been paying their dues. Just sayn'. ...

...and if those CFI's aren't current in 121 op's, then CFI is where they should stay. Just sayin'

...(see how that logic is a 2-way street?)...

Jamers 04-07-2010 05:13 PM

The hiring is coming. I feel it in my gut.

Oh wait, that was just a fart.

Blueskies21 04-07-2010 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by CFItillIdie (Post 791563)
And honestly, if they are not current on everything, the street is where they should stay. There have been a lot of people stuck in CFI positions that have been paying their dues. Just sayn'. I have a feeling it will be high...somewhere around 200-500 ME depending on the airline. TT somewhere in the ball park of 1000-1500. Just look at what Eagle has now. That should be a good indication.

Not that you have ANYONE on your side anyway, but I'd be willing to put 500 bucks that a furloughed 121 guy is going to do 200% better on his first sim than a CFI with no 121 experience. Not saying the CFI can't pass the training program but with previous experience it's much more of a known quantity.
I know it sucks to be stuck as a CFI when guys you know went to the regionals, but I've been furloughed twice now and I'd venture to say I would have rather been continously employed as an instructor. I guess the grass is always greener.
As for the original topic, probably 1500 and 500 for awhile and will probably go down once the backlog starts to clear out in a year or two of solid hiring.

snippercr 04-07-2010 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by Jamers (Post 791664)
The hiring is coming. I feel it in my gut.

Oh wait, that was just a fart.

Thanks a lot... I now have to clean the beer off my monitor and keyboard

indapit 04-07-2010 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by CFItillIdie (Post 791563)
And honestly, if they are not current on everything, the street is where they should stay. There have been a lot of people stuck in CFI positions that have been paying their dues. Just sayn'. I have a feeling it will be high...somewhere around 200-500 ME depending on the airline. TT somewhere in the ball park of 1000-1500. Just look at what Eagle has now. That should be a good indication.


Wow, is your name chuck by any chance. I bet this guy can fly the **** out of a 172. And don't worry XXXX airline, i'm a pro at turns around a point so you are covered there.


What everyone else is saying is correct. A prior 121 guy will always have a leg up no matter what. He has passed 121 training before and will probably do it again with ease. I will bet it will take a couple years to get the furloughed guys back so you better get comfy or meet some people who can get you into an interview.

BTW, telling people that guys on the street is where they should stay will probably not make you too many friends to walk in your resume. Don't bother sending it to me for one.

AirWillie 04-07-2010 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by CFItillIdie (Post 791563)
And honestly, if they are not current on everything, the street is where they should stay. There have been a lot of people stuck in CFI positions that have been paying their dues. Just sayn'. I have a feeling it will be high...somewhere around 200-500 ME depending on the airline. TT somewhere in the ball park of 1000-1500. Just look at what Eagle has now. That should be a good indication.

Ironically dude, you are right. A lot of more qualified people are losing out to no experience CFIs because they are not current. A furloughed pilot has a shelf life of about 6 months, 1 for some airlines, before they expire and have to wait for a recall. I'm with the others though, there is no comparison between a CFI and a guy with airline experience, even with no currency. It's night and day. An RJ is a little different than a 172.

WalkOfShame 04-07-2010 08:51 PM

Just to mix up the pot a bit (and not trying to take sides), which to you think has a better chance: a furloughed, non-current pilot with 700 hr TT, SIC typed but sat reserve so little time it type vs. a current 1500hr MEI with a couple hundred multi ready to take an ATP check. Just curious what everyone thinks....

snippercr 04-07-2010 09:35 PM

When Eagle started hiring, didn't they have a requirement about having a flying job for the past 12 months? Not sure if that was a requirement or a preference. If it was a requirement, that would really be bad for a 121er on the street with couple hundred turbine time.

rickair7777 04-07-2010 09:40 PM


Originally Posted by WalkOfShame (Post 791786)
Just to mix up the pot a bit (and not trying to take sides), which to you think has a better chance: a furloughed, non-current pilot with 700 hr TT, SIC typed but sat reserve so little time it type vs. a current 1500hr MEI with a couple hundred multi ready to take an ATP check. Just curious what everyone thinks....

Anyone who has previously completed 121 training will likely be preferred by the airlines...much lower training risk.

reserveslob 04-07-2010 11:31 PM

No flame intended, but what about a current 135 guy with 1000hrs multi vs. non current 121 furlough? Just Curious what the thoughts are on that.


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