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pilot124 04-13-2010 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by waflyboy (Post 795216)
You beat me to it! My guess is Mother United likes this deal a little more than most people think.

Of course UA loves the deal, now they have somebody to take the heat off of them from Southwest. Contracts with UA, Delta, US Airways are all solid till they expire some time in the next 5-10 years or so. The regional lift is changing folks and you either adapt like BB did or end up taking on new risks for fee for departure. Mainline is starting to impose risks to regionals such as fuel, cxld flights, etc for future contracts. BB knew that and is taking the first step in a new established branding. It's like chess, you need to make the first move in an ever changing game called aviation.

Boomer 04-13-2010 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by pilot124 (Post 795529)
It's like chess, you need to make the first move in an ever changing game called aviation.

Or you can be like Delta and just get more pawns - Compass, Comair, Mesaba, Mesa/Freedom, Chautauqua, Shuttle, Pinnacle, ASA, SkyWest, etc...

avi8tor4life 04-13-2010 09:00 PM

Or take the flying back.

TrojanCMH 04-14-2010 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 795518)
Codeshare is not revenue sharing or fee for departure. If codeshare is the "future of the regionals" then the past is repeating itself. Codeshare was how the regionals used to operate. Codesharing with a major and getting the revenue from the flights it operated. The problem was that mainline was only getting feed, not direct revenue from the regional flight. Thats why fee for departure came into being. With ffd, a major can get feed AND revenue from a regional flight. Codesharing is nice to fill some extra seats, but it will not allow you to farm out your airline. You will starve while your codeshare partner gets rich. Make no mistake, the majors (UAL in particular) want fee for departure, "joint ventures", and "revenue sharing". That way they can get the revenue without the operating expense.

They could possibly set up some kind of codeshare with revenue sharing?

RAHPilot5 04-14-2010 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by avi8tor4life (Post 795638)
Or take the flying back.

Will not happen. Would like it to but the floodgates were open many years ago on this.

Slaphappy 04-14-2010 06:29 AM

Shouldn't this be in the majors section not the regional?

johnso29 04-14-2010 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by Slaphappy (Post 795184)
Nothing, they are going to use their 190s and a320s to "codeshare" with the majors. This is a way around scope and future of regionals.


You don't understand the whole codeshare thing, do you? RAH will not be able to just codeshare to profitability. Skywest can not just buy big jets and codeshare to profitability. There are so many more expenses when you start paying for your own gas, reservation systems, ticketing, landing fees, taxes, etc. The fee for departure contracts will begin drying up, and it's becoming a whole new ballgame.

It willeasier for RAH since they aquired F9 and have many of these things in place already.

Slaphappy 04-14-2010 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 795786)
You don't understand the whole codeshare thing, do you? RAH will not be able to just codeshare to profitability. Skywest can not just buy big jets and codeshare to profitability. There are so many more expenses when you start paying for your own gas, reservation systems, ticketing, landing fees, taxes, etc. The fee for departure contracts will begin drying up, and it's becoming a whole new ballgame.

you better tell Republic that since that is what they are on track to do.

johnso29 04-14-2010 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by Slaphappy (Post 795788)
you better tell Republic that since that is what they are on track to do.

Ummmmmm....ok. I don't see any codeshares with RAH anywhere. Trust me when I say they are burning through a lot of cash right now. Not saying they are going under, but what BB is doing is not cheap.

ToiletDuck 04-14-2010 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 795789)
Ummmmmm....ok. I don't see any codeshares with RAH anywhere. Trust me when I say they are burning through a lot of cash right now. Not saying they are going under, but what BB is doing is not cheap.

I don't think this next quarter will be profitable but they have been so far. They haven't had to dig into the savings yet so luckily a large chunk of cost associated with these moves has been absorbed already. Still a lot left out there but I don't think it's as bad as most think.


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