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newarkblows 04-21-2010 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by OldSF3Dude (Post 799461)
I've flight instructed and worked for 4 regionals (U.F.S., Mesaba, Eagle, AWAC) as everything from lav cart boy to captain. Inbetween I've done research at the university mostly on my own dime. Of course everytime I leave an airline to do research I have to start over somewhere else when I go back to flying. My timing usually sucks as to when I get back in. I'd like to get back in at the front of the hiring bubble this time.

I don't think of Colgan as a step up. I think of it as a side step. In the larger scheme of things everything in the regionals is a side step. Even if one regional is a better place to be than another regional at a snap shot in time, that will surely change. It's all an exercise in whipsawing and concessions. In the grand scheme of things over a large period of time all regionals are pretty much the same. Colgan has the advantage of being growing right now, however.

For me a "step up" would be doing contract flying on a regular basis overseas. I don't really see any pathway for me to step up in this country... only side step.

Besides, sometimes the ability and mentality to side step is a good thing. I have nothing to lose.

It seems like you have your head on your shoulders. I hope Colgan works out for you.

OldManReverend 04-21-2010 03:11 PM

Anybody know when the next class date is? and if it's gonna be the Saab or the Q?

GearMover 04-21-2010 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by OldSF3Dude (Post 799403)
That whole hiring process over there is bewildering to me. You apply, get an e-mail to call Chuck Colgan, rarely get a hold of him, when you do he asks a few questions, says he'll call back, then you get a e-mail to call him, can't get a hold of him, leave messages, he doesn't call back, then someone from HR calls who talks super fast and asks the same questions with no further explaination other then you should hear something, then nothing... It goes round and round like this.

I got a Saab type and 3500 hours on the aircraft, not on furlough, degrees, perfect record, etc. It doesn't seem like they're bending over backwards to get me interviewed or hired. What kind of experience do you have that they keep calling you?

Maybe they're like a twisted girlfriend who likes you more if you ignore them?!

I think the last line may be the most correct. I've been called at least 10 times several emails. I haven't responed yet. I don't think I fit what they are looking for as far as I dont have Dash time just 1500tt 500PIC 1000SIC. I'm looking for a job but I just can't call them back. I know the first question they will ask is "Why do you want to work for Colgan?" and to be honest I just can't come up with an answer. What do I say to them??? Its a great company! (NOT) Great equipment(NOT) Great pay (NNNOOOOOOTTTTT) Great bases(NOT) Reasonable upgrade times (don't know) I mean if anyone can come up with an answer other then I need a job (I make more on unemployment then I would if I only made min at Colgan) I would love to hear it. My only guess for you OldSF3Dude is the fact that you have been several places looks like you would jump ship as soon as possible. I would rather be in your shoes with all the time and degrees but I'm not I'm on the Colgan radar!

BobofAR 04-21-2010 05:55 PM

I interviewed in La Guardia on the 8th. They were hoping to get a class together for the 20th, but they haven't been able to get those of us interviewed ready in time. The new class is May 18th.... I don't believe anyone has been called with a job offer yet.

There were several people who were told no thanks at the interview. Mostly they didn't do well on one or more aspects of the interview. I think there were about 10 that didn't pass the written test. I'm anxiously waiting myself for any news. I took the drug screen test (urinalysis) on the same day as the interview.... everything I've heard has indicated that is a very good sign... But, I also have not heard if anyone else has been called.

I had absolutely no problems with setting things up. I was asked to call Chuck in January, but I had a family emergency to deal with... Sent him an e-mail and he said no problem. He called me in March and asked me a few questions. Then said he would like to invite me to interview on the 8th. The next day I had an e-mail with my flight and itinerary. From my experience, they were very efficient and did a great job handling the initial contacts. The interview was a great experience, it was my first.

Bob

dashtrash300 04-21-2010 06:05 PM

Do they make you take the written test if you have a current ATP written?

BobofAR 04-21-2010 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by dashtrash300 (Post 799568)
Do they make you take the written test if you have a current ATP written?

Yes, it doesn't matter any more. They used to allow you to waive the written, but I can understand why they do it this way now. There were at least two people who had their ATP written done that didn't pass the test. Don't know if there were more, but the written isn't something to take with a "I already know this" attitude. I took my time, and glad I did as I saw I got a 92 on it.... it is geared towards an attention to detail ;)

Bob

Spoilers 04-21-2010 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by BobofAR (Post 799576)
Yes, it doesn't matter any more. They used to allow you to waive the written, but I can understand why they do it this way now. There were at least two people who had their ATP written done that didn't pass the test. Don't know if there were more, but the written isn't something to take with a "I already know this" attitude. I took my time, and glad I did as I saw I got a 92 on it.... it is geared towards an attention to detail ;)

Bob

My guess is you don't have previous 121 experience and probably just recently took your ATP written?

If you've taken the ATP written several years ago and have been flying for several years, you wouldn't know some of this stuff and wouldn't get a 92, believe me! Do you think a furloughed Midwest, NetJets, etc. guy can pass the test with 80% without actually studying for it? I don't think so. I think it is a waste to have interview candidates take an ATP written test for the interview, but most airlines do it simply to weed out people who are not serious about the job and did not prepare.

wrxpilot 04-21-2010 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by dashtrash300 (Post 799568)
Do they make you take the written test if you have a current ATP written?

Yes they do. Make sure you study, as there were several people that were asked to leave in my interview group (must score greater than 80%).

A few months ago things were looking a little touch and go with my current job, so I did an interview with these guys. Yes, it's not the best place in the world. That's pretty obvious. But I figured it didn't hurt to have another option in case I started getting desperate.

As far as getting the interview... I'm not sure why, but after I sent an app via CT350 it all came together fairly quickly. Chuck called a couple of days later, and requested I fill out the airlineapps.com info. Shortly afterwards I was invited to an interview in LGA, but had to reschedule for MCO due to a work conflict.

The interview was pretty straightforward but thorough. The Colgan staff were all actually very nice, and I more or less enjoyed myself throughout the two day interview. At the end, Chuck asked if I could join a class starting two weeks from then, but I couldn't as it was cutting it a little close with giving notice to my current employer. A few days later I was offered the 4/20 class. I did some serious thinking about it, and initially accepted it. Shortly after, things changed fairly dramatically at my current job. We're definitely keeping the plane, and it looks like I might have some pretty good opportunities in the short term future. It was just WAY too much to pass up (financially and other wise), so I notified Colgan that I was staying with my employer. They were pleasant about it, though I'm sure that bridge is burned... Which is really not that big of a deal to me, to be perfectly honest.

Anyway, the point of my rambling story is that sometimes heading to a place like Colgan is a tough but perhaps necessary decision, depending on your circumstances. I was lucky I guess, so I got to avoid having to really consider it at the last second. Those of you that can make that lifestyle work, my hat's off to you. I don't know that I'd be willing to deal with it.

banja12 04-21-2010 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by BobofAR (Post 799562)
I interviewed in La Guardia on the 8th. They were hoping to get a class together for the 20th, but they haven't been able to get those of us interviewed ready in time. The new class is May 18th.... I don't believe anyone has been called with a job offer yet.

There were several people who were told no thanks at the interview. Mostly they didn't do well on one or more aspects of the interview. I think there were about 10 that didn't pass the written test. I'm anxiously waiting myself for any news. I took the drug screen test (urinalysis) on the same day as the interview.... everything I've heard has indicated that is a very good sign... But, I also have not heard if anyone else has been called.

I had absolutely no problems with setting things up. I was asked to call Chuck in January, but I had a family emergency to deal with... Sent him an e-mail and he said no problem. He called me in March and asked me a few questions. Then said he would like to invite me to interview on the 8th. The next day I had an e-mail with my flight and itinerary. From my experience, they were very efficient and did a great job handling the initial contacts. The interview was a great experience, it was my first.

Bob

May 18th huh? I interviewed in Houston on the 12-13th. Everything went really well and I can't see any reason why I wouldn't get an offer (fingers crossed!) I went all the way through to the drug screening and I'm sure those results are back by now. Are we waiting on background checks/PRIA paperwork to go through? I realize it's only been a little over a week, but I'd just like to know! (I'm trying to be patient, I promise!) Was their La Guardia/Houston interviewing for the class on the 18th or for one on a later date? Chuck told us in the interview that they'd soon be running 2 classes a month. I'm just curious as to when that will begin and when I can expect a phone call.

Anyone else out there waiting to hear?

BobofAR 04-21-2010 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 799585)
My guess is you don't have previous 121 experience and probably just recently took your ATP written?

If you've taken the ATP written several years ago and have been flying for several years, you wouldn't know some of this stuff and wouldn't get a 92, believe me! Do you think a furloughed Midwest, NetJets, etc. guy can pass the test with 80% without actually studying for it? I don't think so. I think it is a waste to have interview candidates take an ATP written test for the interview, but most airlines do it simply to weed out people who are not serious about the job and did not prepare.

I completely agree... and I am just as you say. The written test has basic knowledge items... It honestly does not have too many seldom used knowledge questions. There were no figures, no math.... some basic aerodynamic questions.

From the way the test was made.... I tend to think those who didn't pass it did not pay attention to detail. Just as an example... They had a lost comms question. Two of the answers contained correct wording, making them both correct. The difference was that one used a word at the end that made it incorrect. There were several like that.

I just think the test was not designed to be non-pertinent to those with 121 experience, but rather it was geared towards part of the HR aspect of the interview process. But, your probably right in that the main reason is to weed out those who don't put in the time to prepare.


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