guys guys guys...don't let slapdouche get your goat...dont let him win!

shameful..............

What do you think will happen with Commute Air?

Don't feed the troll, boys.

BTW, after years of observing slappy I have almost come to the conclusion that he is a bitter ex-SLC asa pilot who just enjoys stirring the pot.

Now that would explain a lot..................

The only pilots entitled to United flying are pilot's on the United/Continental seniority list. Every one of our furloughed pilots working for you would much rather be flying that 70 seater under a United contract.

Dude you need to listen to yourself. I feel bad for the SKW pilots on this board because you are giving them a horrible reputation. If UAL was so against 50 seaters, why would they just sign contracts with SKW, ASA, and XJT for more of them? To replace Mesa of course, but if they didn't want any more 50 seat flying then they wouldn't have replaced this flying with 5+ year deals for 50 seaters. Also, you need to get rid of your horrible attitude toward XJT. Did they reject you or something? One week ago TO THE DAY that the merger was announced, XJT announced a new CEO who came from UAL as the VP of regional operations. You think thats a coincidence? Obviously they expect them to be a major player in RJ flying for the new carrier. You think SKW is entitled to more flying? They have the most to lose as you guys WERE the biggest regional for UAL. Just talked to a friend of mine at XJT who does MX and they just started an E-170 CBT. Again, coincidence?

So lets go over this, XJT gets a new CEO who happens to be the ex VP of United Express Ops at UAL (and bought the original 170's for Shuttle America when he was their president). One week later the merger is announced. XJT recently gets a five year contract with UAL. The combined carrier (UAL and CAL) now own 30% of XJT who is now the largest regional operator for the combined carrier (yep thats right, SKW is no longer the largest. Sorry Slappy). Finally, XJT MX recently gets handed an E-170 CBT and is told to "be prepared". Does this sound like the end for XJT and that SKW is getting more flying? As many others have said, get a clue broski.

ASA MX was given the 900 CBT's 5 years before one was on property....that doesn't prove entirely too much JetBlast

That is certainly interesting and most probably not a coincidence but it doesn't prove any new growth. XJET won the ERJ contract after TransStates and AWAC decided against it. The fact that you guys traded CEOs doesn't mean anything, it could be for "streamlining" operations. As far as the E170, it's probably inevitable for Expressjet, you have aging and inefficient ERJs, hundreds of them. They will have to be replaced by something, at least part of the fleet. So I wouldn't call it growth just yet, not to mention no one knows how the new scope will be.

I hope XJT gets all the flying... I'm tired of not being able to get vacation here at SKW and honestly don't want to see the block hours increase anymore without hiring (which we all know won't happen). Take it. Enjoy it. Sometimes I wish the fish wouldn't always smell his paws...

I'm with Rick on this one. The off the wall posts he makes can only be made by someone trying to throw flames and who can't possibly take themselves seriously.

What regional pilot on earth would actually say they are "entitled" to flying? No one with half a brain could actually think that.

Wow... you know the regional world doesn't revolve around Skywest right?

Thems fightin words:)

i hope UAL/CAL mainline gets all the flying...

are people really this clueless??:eek:

Trans States did not decide against it and neither did AWAC, they lost the bid to XJT. TSA thought they were going to win it and decided to send out recall letters, didn't work out for them. AWAC thought that if they could get concessions they could send in a lower bid, it didn't work out. Neither airline "decided against it" during the worst recession in 70 years.

I hope that the next 70 seat a/c goes to mainline even though SKW is entitled to it.

so do I...

It's water under the bridge, but for what it's worth, you're wrong. TSA had first dibs but decided leasing 22 planes beyond the contract didn't make much sense that's why they decided against it even "during the worst economic times ever". AWAC was also asked but could not get concessions out of their pilots. Both turned it down and then XJT got it.

good question but anybody that claims to know prolly has no idea.

Entitled to UAL flying? Like SKW was entitled to XJT when they made an unsolicited bid on them? I hope the UAL pilots reject SKW just as the XJT pilots did! By the way, why haven't you responeded to my reply to you, post #45 on this thread?

Also, UAL just got themselves on the hook for 274 ERJs, not 200. Which means they dont have financial incentive to award or renew anymore 50 seat lift to anyone else other than to XJT since they now have to pay for the leases regardless of whether they are parked in the desert or not. They are 16 year leases.

Lastly, I sincerely hope UAL scopes in ALL jet flying like they were planning to do two years ago.

Unfortunately it seems many people are really that clueless.:mad:

I don't think that's the company turning it down. I think that's the pilot group standing their ground against management and the race to the bottom. I think AWAC lost the contract because of that and the owners wanting a much larger profit margin. That being said, I'm glad the RFP was won by a decent regional.

I see alot of people bashing XJT on here and it would seem hoping for our demise; however, it would seem to me this is coming from the other regionals that don't have the balls to stand up for them selves and fight for the best work rules/contract in the industry except maybe Delta. You guys will never get it there is no legacy in the future for 60% of regional pilots, so if you don't grow a set and get of moms teet your gona be flying your E175 for substandard wages for the remainder of your career...I would rather go down with self-respect and not except anymore cuts then be included with your sorry a$$ bunch...Flame away chumps!

Xjt pilots will never except anymore cuts to save this POS job that you are destroying, mark my word...I think!

If you have any questions about this I would refer to the UAL MEC news media interview on 5/3.

"United passengers deserve United pilots", and United express flying have United passengers on them.

That sums it up.

Does that even need to be said??? There are propbaly only a handful out there that wishes it was the other way around.

As a United pilot told me last night "This is our problem and I hope to fix it and give you back the industry I once had"

50 seaters arent as innefficient as many of you think when compared to a 70 seater. 70 seaters are not the savior of profitability that they have been made out to be so stop drinking the Kool aid and regurgitating what your management has been blowing up your butts. 100 seats is going to be the next feather in the cap of management and they are pushing for it hard at the regional level. We have to stop them, demand a liveable wage at whatever regional we are at to reduce the incentive to outsource more flying, and support the CAL/UAL mec in negotiations. Why are some excited to see regionals get bigger?

There's a difference between "clueless" and "lifer"...they might be expected to have different points of view on this.

what happens to the all jet regionals then?

They are flow by pilots on the UAL/CAL seniority list.

Good luck turning back the clock 20 years. While you're at it, also wish for a return to the day when the cabin crew members were called Stewardesses and wore hot pants and go-go boots.

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Yes this is a great idea...might as well put in some contractual language for a hummer while on the overnight so that you can get to sleep quickly.

Good luck with that. That is what is holding up the TSA contract negotiations. On a serious note...UAL/CAL pilots flying 145's and 200's? You kiddin? So are they gonna do that at regional wages? Or are they gonna do that on a mainline pay scale..that oughta do wonders for the labor cost structure...maybe we can get smoking back in planes too.

Thanks for the well wishes but it will take more than luck to make this happen.

"We understand how hard it is to put that genie back in the bottle, but we're going to try," Pierce said. "We see it as a better solution for all concerned when legacy carriers do their own flying, not just to protect jobs, but also to ensure safety."

Whatever they negotiate for them to get them to be flown by pilots on the UAL/CAL seniority list. Regional wages would be a start. After all, we have pilots doing that already.

don't get me wrong. im all for it but you think youre gonna pay a 15 year captain at UAL/CAL makin a buck forty a year or thereabouts to fly an embraer for fiddy thou a year?http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/daily...pigs%20fly.jpg

While I really doubt UA guys will be willing to fly any airplane for regional wages I do think that getting scope back is worth taking a hit on pay. Once the planes are back at mainline, pay can always come up later, but at least they will be able to come back. The current situation with the regionals will never, ever bring decent pay to those airplanes. That's the whole idea of contract lift. Mainline will have a much easier time getting higher pay over the long term, even if it means flying for regional wages in the short term. Not saying they should sink that low but I would hope we can at least consider it as a strategic move to get those planes back where they belong.

Do you think many of the pilots that currently fly them would fly them at the same rate but instead be on the UAL/CAL seniority list? What's the difference? But hey, its impossible to put a man on the moon.

That's a valid point. BUT...I'm assuming those additional planes would be flown by people already on the United/Continental list. You could use the argument that those would be furloughed recalls and theyd be happy to have "a" job back but it would regardless result in alot of people taking serious paycuts. I do agree that it belongs at the mainline but what makes the difference who does the flying as long as the crew is makin $50k and $18k? Airlines are looking to cut costs and increasing pay isn't gonna do that. I can't imagine them keeping that scope language that would completely eliminate several regionals from existance.

I'd say it makes a big difference who flies them for 50K a year. At a regional you have to start over again at the bottom when you get hired at mainline. Another thing is the regional (under)staffing and other QOL issues that will make for a much better life of the pilots in terms other than pay.

At mainline you may make 50K to fly the RJ but you are already at mainline and just get to sit back and build seniority and retire. Then you get the mainline staffing levels trip/duty rigs, etc. It would be much better to have RJs at mainline even if the pay rates stayed low for a little while.

They will need a lot more than the 1500 pilots on furlough. Anyways, RJ captains and FOs are making more than $50k and $18k. It can be done in a cost competive way. For example, if CAL pilots would to fly XJTs ERJs at the payrates that XJT pilots currently get but with CALs work rules, the crew costs would be lower!

Part of me thinks that once CAL & UAL merge, there will be another 1,000 furloughed pilots available for RJ employment. Maybe ALPA will be so nice as to get us preferential hiring, just like they did at CAL (pref hiring at Colgan to fly our outsourced routes). Maybe we'll flood the market with experienced pilots and finally shut down all those pilot factories! The pilot shortage is just around the corner... if only CAL and UAL wouldn't have merged it would be here by now.

OK, sarcasm machine turned off... for now!

Bingo. It would also suck for the military guys who are coming off of an effective $150K salary, but oh well...that needs to stop being a criteria for the scoping of flying.