What happened to slaphappy

What evidence can you provide to support this claim. I honestly believe that if it were cheaper to do it in house it would never have been outsourced.

None other than common sense anecdotal evidence. Talk to any ex-XJT currently working at CAL and they will tell you that overall, XJT's work rules are better than CAL's. I know its anecdotal but every one of these people I've talked to say the same thing.

Anyways, for CAL, the IPO wasn't only about doing it cheaper in house. They sold millions of shares of XJT at $15 a share and made a killing while also writing a CPA on XJT's behalf that supposedly created an independent company yet had many strings to restrict what XJT could do and also provided means for lowering the cost of the CPA while holding them hostage if they didn't. And it all happened exactly as planned.

CAL made millions, the other 49% they owned, the slowly sold off to fund their employee pension fund, and they got a XJT to operate so cheap that unless block hours increase, the company loses money.

Slaphappy, I see you are back since the flaming you took on this thread. But I also noticed you still havent replied to any of the responses you got from your last post. I'm particularly interested in the reply to this. Please do so, I look forward to your insight.

Originally Posted by Nevets
Thanks in part to SKW.

Originally Posted by Nevets
The SKW deal: Close down branded and DAL prorate agreement - was bound to happen anyways; Close down charter; Transfer the 10 a/c CPA to SKW airlines; Transfer 25 a/c to Skywest airlines for a CPA with CAL; Fourlough 700 pilots (we furloughed less than half of that); Take a 16% paycut to include PBS, getting rid of our defined contribution retirement plan, and other work rule changes equal to 4% paycut in the future after they had a chance to study our contract ("to bring us down to parity with SKW pilots"); Maintain seperate operations with seperate seniority lists without the ability to bid over with a/c in case they were transferee over to ASA or SKW (same clause SKW and ASA pilots have in the ASA contract); negotiate rates for Q400s. What they offered: 15 yr CPA for 205 a/c that was going to be up to bid in 12 months; inclusion in the SKW profit sharing and performance bonus plans; preferential (not guaranteed) interviews for furloughed pilots (to fly the same a/c and routes they are currently flying but at the bottom of a non-union seniority list at first yr SKW pay).

I recognize those girls! They are still flying, but don't look anything like that!:)

I can't believe we didn't take the offer, what were we thinking!? I could be making 20% less than what I do now working under inferior work rules!

that is nature's way - eyesight gets worse so you THINK they look the same!

You sure about this conversation? I seem to remember that you couldn't fly "green on green." But, it wouldn't surprise me if scheduling did this. If so, then you should have refused.......

Will SKW be calling in their favors after lending a hefty sum to UAL a while back?

UAL is no longer calling the shots!

They're getting interest on their loan so what "favors" are you talking about?

Never mind, I refreshed my memory on the matter.