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rickair7777 07-27-2006 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by Ziggy
Sorry Rickair, but I'm going to press my B.S. button on ya. As long as the person has a 121/135 SIC checkride, he/she can log SIC in any type aircraft that is authorized by the checkride. This is regardless of whether it's single pilot certified or not. This time is legal and accepted by the FAA for certificate requirements. As far as the airlines are concerned it's up to them, but most accept it.

No need for the "BS flag", I'm just trying to be helpful. If you have something constructive to say, just say it nicely. Or maybe you're defensive about it because you're a time-buyer yourself...

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough on the original question...if the operation requires a SIC it is valid time, even if the airplane was originally certified for one pilot only. But this has to be an FAA operational certificate requirement, NOT just an insurance or company policy kind of thing.

Also, an airplane which is certified for either single or dual pilot operations could be counted as SIC if it is being operated in dual pilot mode.

lpcunity 07-27-2006 01:57 PM

mtjoe1900,
I'm not sure how you feel about moving to Maui but there is a 135 airline there flys Grand Caravans. This was one of the funnest jobs I ever had. Their mins are the 1200tt. The Van has tcas, gpws, and all the cool garmins stacked all over. They fly all over Hawaii and into small tropical airports. They are hiring all the time. It is not a perfect job but the flying is lots of fun, all the other junk you have to deal with at that job makes the job harder to stay there for long periods of time.
Just an idea.

Roll Inverted and Pull 07-27-2006 02:49 PM

Boys..he asked if airlines frown on buying time. The answer is "No".

MikeB525 07-27-2006 08:31 PM

mtjoe1900,

semi-off topic questions: who do you dispatch for and how do you like the job?

mtjoe1900 08-03-2006 04:10 AM

thanks for the input I was told that I could log the time as PIC depending if I flew that leg. But like I say i've heard that airlines frown on it although I know in the past other people have done it with no problem.

rickair7777 08-03-2006 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by mtjoe1900
thanks for the input I was told that I could log the time as PIC depending if I flew that leg. But like I say i've heard that airlines frown on it although I know in the past other people have done it with no problem.

I don't think regionals frown on that sort of time, as long as it was actual legal SIC or PIC time. Unfortunately in the past some operators sold some seat time that really didn't count...an airline would consider that falsifying your logbook :eek:

Make sure that the flying you are logging is actually legal SIC or PIC before you log it. Have someone reference the regs for you, and be especially carefule if they say you can log time in a single-pilot airplane...you need to understand their op specs for that one.

On a related note, airlines don't really care about time buying, but some pilots don't like it, and there are usually pilots involved in the hiring decision.

Also be VERY wary about the KIND of time you buy...if it is dead or repositioning legs, no big deal, but if you are PAYING for the "privelege" of serving as a REQUIRED crewmember on a REVENUE pax or cargo flight...you just took a PAYING JOB away from an actual qualified pilot somewhere. If you want to fly revenue trips, first get qualified, then get the job, and get paid for doing it.

If you fly revenue for free, myself, and many others, would go to great lengths to ensure that you were not employed at my organization. And if you did get employed, we might find a way to get you unemployed during probation...:mad:

FlyingBobcat 08-26-2006 06:52 AM

Right seat time
 
I was checking out pilotjobs.com and noticed all the required multi time, for the regionals, was in the PIC column. I have been in the right seat of a KA 350 for about 100 hrs, is that gonna hurt me? It's now officially dual received part 91 if I fill out an 8710, and I will, I can get a SIC 350 rating on my certificate. So is the 100 hours PIC required incorrect?

rickair7777 08-26-2006 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by FlyingBobcat (Post 55753)
I was checking out pilotjobs.com and noticed all the required multi time, for the regionals, was in the PIC column. I have been in the right seat of a KA 350 for about 100 hrs, is that gonna hurt me? It's now officially dual received part 91 if I fill out an 8710, and I will, I can get a SIC 350 rating on my certificate. So is the 100 hours PIC required incorrect?

You need to check on the requirements for each individual regional...I don't recall PIC being specified for the multi.

Claiming 100 hours multi dual received will throw a red flag with the FAA and probably an airline. Dual is not a blanket license to log unlimited time in airplanes you are not qualified in, or not the PIC. The FAA expects actual training towards a recognized rating or qualification, and 100 hours of x-countrty (I assume) dual recieved in a twin would raise big red flags. I can't think of any legit training that would take 100 hours, a multi add-on is usually 10-15 hours.

Be very, very careful with this...

FlyingBobcat 08-26-2006 12:20 PM

Loggin time
 
Thanks for the reply. I'll have to ask cheif pilots about this. I know for a fact that because of insurance we have to have a crew of two in the airplane, however only the PIC is typed as it is only a single type plane. So that means as a copilot you can't log any of the time? Also I looked up my endorsement 61.55(B) it states that I am a qualified SIC of the 350. I have done all that 61.55B requires through a ground school and flight. I will have to bring this to the cheif pilots attention. I beleive I will now log it as SIC time. Thanks for the help Rickair!

P.S. should I go back and change all the dual given to SIC?

freezingflyboy 08-26-2006 06:28 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingBobcat (Post 55827)
Thanks for the reply. I'll have to ask cheif pilots about this. I know for a fact that because of insurance we have to have a crew of two in the airplane, however only the PIC is typed as it is only a single type plane. So that means as a copilot you can't log any of the time? Also I looked up my endorsement 61.55(B) it states that I am a qualified SIC of the 350. I have done all that 61.55B requires through a ground school and flight. I will have to bring this to the cheif pilots attention. I beleive I will now log it as SIC time. Thanks for the help Rickair!

P.S. should I go back and change all the dual given to SIC?

Unless the PIC has been signing your logbook each time you record dual given on a flight, I don't think the FAA considers instruction to have taken place (remember, it is required that you document all instruction given and recieved with the instructor's signature and cert #). Since insurance requires an SIC I would say that you are a required crew member and can log it as SIC and all your time in the 350 should be logged as SIC unless you were actually recieving instruction in the airplane.


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