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freezingflyboy 08-29-2006 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg52 (Post 56669)
"Second, are you sure you aren't going to have to pass a checkride for you SIC type? I had to pass an SIC checkride for the ERJ which is similar to a PIC type ride. It could be an airline thing, I don't know. I know passing the PC is an airline thing but the SIC type might require a checkride too."

An SIC type on the A-320 consisted of going into flt ops and filling out the paperwork. My annual checkride was good enough. The only thing a SIC type gives you is you're the boss if the capt keels over and dies.

Thats what I figured, the PC at an airline counts as the type ride. But you still had to pass a checkride (your PC). Since our buddy Bobcat hasn't passed a checkride related to his time in the 350, Im wondering if he is going to have to pass one in order to get the SIC type. Another aspect to this which I hadn't thought about till now: since the King Air 350 is certified for single-pilot and 2 pilots are just required for insurance purposes, a checkride might not be required. You would have to talk to someone in the FSDO or someone who has more experience certifying SICs in similiar aircraft.

Also, I believe an SIC type is now required by ICAO to fly international (ie Canada and Mexico).

FlyingBobcat 08-29-2006 01:24 PM

Thanks for you thoughts on all this. I am gonna check with the cheif pilots tommorow and then perhaps the FISDO or call AOPA. I'll keep you posted on what I find out. Keep in mind the flying we do is all part 91. 135 could be a whole new ballgame.

rickair7777 08-29-2006 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 56735)
Another aspect to this which I hadn't thought about till now: since the King Air 350 is certified for single-pilot and 2 pilots are just required for insurance purposes, a checkride might not be required.


An operational need for an "SIC" in a single-pilot airplane that is driven by insurance requirements IS NOT valid SIC flight time. It's not any kind of flight time at all, it's just an airplane ride!

The only way you can log real SIC time in an airplane certified for single single-pilot ops is:

1) It's a 135 (or 121) operation whose OPSPECS require an SIC, who would have to be formally trained per the OPSPECS.

2) It's an airplane that is certified for EITHER single or dual pilot operations, and the pilots elect to operate dual pilot.

FlyingBobcat 08-30-2006 06:17 AM

61.55D(7) There is no practical test required for the issuance of the "SIC privileges Only" pilot type rating.

freezingflyboy 08-30-2006 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingBobcat (Post 56888)
61.55D(7) There is no practical test required for the issuance of the "SIC privileges Only" pilot type rating.

There ya go. Although I think I'd still like to talk directly to someone at the FSDO and hear it from the horse's mouth. You might also want to check on the validity of logging that SIC time. The last thing you want in an airline interview is to be told the time you logged is invalid.

texaspropguy 08-30-2006 08:23 PM

Whether it's legal to log SIC or not, be ready to get grilled on the AC as if you got typed in it if it's a turboprop or tj. I know of people who logged SIC in the BE20 without any school. At the interview, they were grilled extensively on the airplane. After that, they were handed their hat and sent home. They've since quit trying to interview 121 and gone 135. I log all my King Air time dual instead since I have no school, but I'm also still flying part 91.

FlyingBobcat 08-31-2006 06:31 AM


Originally Posted by texaspropguy (Post 57093)
Whether it's legal to log SIC or not, be ready to get grilled on the AC as if you got typed in it if it's a turboprop or tj. I know of people who logged SIC in the BE20 without any school. At the interview, they were grilled extensively on the airplane. After that, they were handed their hat and sent home. They've since quit trying to interview 121 and gone 135. I log all my King Air time dual instead since I have no school, but I'm also still flying part 91.

Right on texaspropguy. Thats what I have been logging. This all started when someone said logging a lot of dual was a no no. By the way I would be able to answer most questions on the systems of the aircraft, not all. I have taken a 10 week grounds school for the airplane. I am no wiz however, I wouldn't be able to go throught every memory item. But if I had to when interview time comes I could memorize them all if need be. But remember I am, and have logged all dual received up to this point.

freezingflyboy 08-31-2006 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by FlyingBobcat (Post 57194)
I am no wiz however, I wouldn't be able to go throught every memory item. But if I had to when interview time comes I could memorize them all if need be.

I wouldn't say that too loudly, there is a reason they call them memory items...


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