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winglet 05-28-2010 05:46 AM

Subcontract Airlines (Part 121 "Regional")
 
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Originally Posted by TonyWilliams (Post 818043)
I have suggested just that. Edit to clarify: I only suggested that we change the name of the forum to accurately reflect the airlines being discussed. Clearly, there's not much regional about SkyWest, for instance. And several "majors" are indeed limited to regional areas.

So, I'd call it "Contracted Airlines".

TonyWilliams,

Let's do it. As the NTSB Chairman Deborah Hersman said herself, "Regionals are the Mainline". The term "Regional" is one of the most useful tools the people destroying our industry have. Here's a chance to take that away from them. Make a statement by changing the APC "Regional" forum to Contract Airlines forum. Just maybe you will start a trend that will help stop the brainwashing of the pilots, the public and the media. As long as people let the industry nomenclature be used as a weapon they will never see any improvements. Everyone reading this needs to make an effort not to use the "R" word when referring to outsourced, contracted airlines and you will see a difference in perception. Perception is what drives decisions and airline management knows this well.

winglet

TonyWilliams 05-29-2010 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winglet (Post 818304)
TonyWilliams,

Let's do it...... Make a statement by changing the APC "Regional" forum to Contract Airlines forum.


Ok, I'll try to make a bit more buzz about it.

Tony

Copperhed51 05-29-2010 05:03 PM

I'm on board with changing the name to Contract Airlines. It is definitely more accurate.

hemaybedid 05-30-2010 02:51 AM

Good call. The very least that should be done is to seperate the forums into Major, National and Regional by their revenue as is done on APC.com. I am all for Contract Carrier (Airline) replacing Regional on here and in all of our vocabularies.

saab2000 05-30-2010 04:47 AM

I completely agree. The term 'Regional' was invented 20-30 years ago by aircraft manufacturers and airline execs to be synonymous with 'lesser', or the equivalent of light beer. It's had a huge negative impact on the careers of thousands of pilots, from the most junior F/O at a contract carrier to senior pilots at legacy carriers. It is also used as a way to convince folks that the crew members are less qualified and therefore deserve less.

It is time to get rid of the term 'regional', especially as it applies to routes which used to be flown by mainline carriers, which is in fact what most so-called RJ's do.

It is a term which is been used to gain public and industry acceptance of a grossly lower standard of compensation for crew members. Nothing more, nothing less.

NoStep 05-30-2010 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saab2000 (Post 819215)
I completely agree. The term 'Regional' was invented 20-30 years ago by aircraft manufacturers and airline execs to be synonymous with 'lesser', or the equivalent of light beer. It's had a huge negative impact on the careers of thousands of pilots, from the most junior F/O at a contract carrier to senior pilots at legacy carriers. It is also used as a way to convince folks that the crew members are less qualified and therefore deserve less.

It is time to get rid of the term 'regional', especially as it applies to routes which used to be flown by mainline carriers, which is in fact what most so-called RJ's do.

It is a term which is been used to gain public and industry acceptance of a grossly lower standard of compensation for crew members. Nothing more, nothing less.

While I completely agree with the sentiment here, not sure about the birth or timeline of the term regional. It's been around a bit longer.

North Central, Western, Bonanza, Hughes Airwest, MohawkAllegheny, Ozark, etc. were to one degree or another TRUE regional airlines. They flew mainline equipment with similar wages, in direct competition with majors like Pan Am, TWA, etc.

The more recent advent of code-share and small jets, whose sole purpose is to feed the mainline, have changed this industry forever.

saab2000 05-30-2010 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoStep (Post 819230)
While I completely agree with the sentiment here, not sure about the birth or timeline of the term regional. It's been around a bit longer.

North Central, Western, Bonanza, Hughes Airwest, MohawkAllegheny, Ozark, etc. were to one degree or another TRUE regional airlines. They flew mainline equipment with similar wages, in direct competition with majors like Pan Am, TWA, etc.

The more recent advent of code-share and small jets, whose sole purpose is to feed the mainline, have changed this industry forever.

You are most probably correct. I am not up to speed on the history of the US airline business.

My own carrier used to fall into this category as well, selling their own tickets and later entered into one of the first-ever code sharing agreements with United Airlines.

In any case, it's a term that has outlived it's usefulness. As has 'commuter' or 'puddlejumper'.

mynameisjim 05-30-2010 06:07 AM

So what are we waiting for? Let's make the change!

Phuz 05-30-2010 06:17 AM

Do it.

10char

ea500driver 05-30-2010 06:36 AM

If you are going to get rid of the "Regional" you must also the synonymous word "Mainline" The average passenger cannot tell the difference before buying a ticket. The so-called "mainline" carriers really do not go out of the way to say that this flight is operated by someone else...


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