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FlyJSH 06-08-2010 02:12 AM

Colgan Staffing and Draft Pay
 
Okay folks,

73 hour lines with 10-12 days off. Two FO reserve lines in Houston. What a joke! Everybody is busting bu##, yet all we get is a memo saying WE need to buckle down more!

So we are SERIOUSLY short of pilots, especially FOs. BK even did a test flight in Houston today.

So.....

NOW IS THE TIME to push for all we can get. I was on my eighth day of nine (due to carry over from last month and new month line) and have gotten TWO calls to pick up open time in the last FIVE HOURS. This after picking up a turn while demanding and getting double draft pay!

IF you choose to pick up open time, DEMAND double draft pay PLUS the 150% and anything else you can think of (extra day off, dropping a trip, or whatever you would want).

We got 'em by the short hairs!!! Now is the time to pull it 'till it HURTS!

DeadHead 06-08-2010 03:49 AM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 823195)
Okay folks,

73 hour lines with 10-12 days off. Two FO reserve lines in Houston. What a joke! Everybody is busting bu##, yet all we get is a memo saying WE need to buckle down more!

So we are SERIOUSLY short of pilots, especially FOs. BK even did a test flight in Houston today.

So.....

NOW IS THE TIME to push for all we can get. I was on my eighth day of nine (due to carry over from last month and new month line) and have gotten TWO calls to pick up open time in the last FIVE HOURS. This after picking up a turn while demanding and getting double draft pay!

IF you choose to pick up open time, DEMAND double draft pay PLUS the 150% and anything else you can think of (extra day off, dropping a trip, or whatever you would want).

We got 'em by the short hairs!!! Now is the time to pull it 'till it HURTS!

How's the contract coming along?

yamahas3 06-08-2010 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 823195)
Okay folks,

73 hour lines with 10-12 days off. Two FO reserve lines in Houston. What a joke! Everybody is busting bu##, yet all we get is a memo saying WE need to buckle down more!

So we are SERIOUSLY short of pilots, especially FOs. BK even did a test flight in Houston today.

So.....

NOW IS THE TIME to push for all we can get. I was on my eighth day of nine (due to carry over from last month and new month line) and have gotten TWO calls to pick up open time in the last FIVE HOURS. This after picking up a turn while demanding and getting double draft pay!

IF you choose to pick up open time, DEMAND double draft pay PLUS the 150% and anything else you can think of (extra day off, dropping a trip, or whatever you would want).

We got 'em by the short hairs!!! Now is the time to pull it 'till it HURTS!

Haha get used to it. I have a buddy over at Pinnacle on reserve and it seems like he's at work every single day. Thats just how they do things over there, if they're not canceling flights due to no pilots, they're overstaffed.

grnclvrs 06-08-2010 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 823195)
I was on my eighth day of nine (due to carry over from last month and new month line)



I hope you saw 24hr off in there. End of the month has nothing to do with 24/7, it's a rolling 7 day period. Colgan crew services WILL turn you in to the feds after you do this.

Airsupport 06-08-2010 07:21 AM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 823195)
Okay folks,

73 hour lines with 10-12 days off. Two FO reserve lines in Houston. What a joke! Everybody is busting bu##, yet all we get is a memo saying WE need to buckle down more!


not sure i understand what you are getting at here. are you saying 73 hours is a lot of flying or are you saying 73 hours with 12 days off isnt efficient?

MrBigAir 06-08-2010 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 823195)
This after picking up a turn while demanding and getting double draft pay!

IF you choose to pick up open time, DEMAND double draft pay PLUS the 150% and anything else you can think of (extra day off, dropping a trip, or whatever you would want).

We got 'em by the short hairs!!! Now is the time to pull it 'till it HURTS!

Hey, STOP picking up flying! Its cheaper to pay you some overtime rather than hire a pilot. You are subsidizing managements decision to understaff and thus taking away someone else's potential job.

Outlaw2097 06-08-2010 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by MrBigAir (Post 823295)
Hey, STOP picking up flying! Its cheaper to pay you some overtime rather than hire a pilot. You are subsidizing managements decision to understaff and thus taking away someone else's potential job.

Seconded. Pick up a hobby or take trip somewhere. Seems good now but dont be suprised if one day, the burnt out feeling shows up out of nowhere.

Demands are really 'demands' when its pretty much assumed youll get what you want.

FlyJSH 06-08-2010 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by MrBigAir (Post 823295)
Hey, STOP picking up flying! Its cheaper to pay you some overtime rather than hire a pilot. You are subsidizing managements decision to understaff and thus taking away someone else's potential job.


I dont pick up time. I have been under guarantee for months (the farther under the better). This month I started at 75 hrs. In this case, I actually traded a 4 hour event for a 2 hour event and got 9+ hours of pay.

ea500driver 06-09-2010 06:34 AM

Here is another company, Colgan Air. Amazing how they are eating up all the so called "mainline" flying. Advertising tremendous growth, yet paying their Pilots next to nothing, and pressing them to do even more. Hope you guys (gals) there will soon rise up, and demand more for your hard work...

AxialFlow 06-09-2010 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by Airsupport (Post 823280)
not sure i understand what you are getting at here. are you saying 73 hours is a lot of flying or are you saying 73 hours with 12 days off isnt efficient?

Define "efficient". One of management's deffinitions is not awarding per diem on day trips, and then stacking the lines with day trips. I'll pick up open time, but it will cost them dearly.

The Juice 06-09-2010 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by ea500driver (Post 823743)
Here is another company, Colgan Air. Amazing how they are eating up all the so called "mainline" flying. Advertising tremendous growth, yet paying their Pilots next to nothing, and pressing them to do even more. Hope you guys (gals) there will soon rise up, and demand more for your hard work...

I feel enlightened now with your words, thank you for your insight on the subject

newarkblows 06-10-2010 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 823783)
I feel enlightened now with your words, thank you for your insight on the subject

I think you are forgetting that you have defended this company in the past. How quickly we forget how naive we once were.

Pilots not getting compensated in any way, shape, or form and being asked to keep bending over to subsidize their constant abuse... as soon as your contract gets signed and pay and benefits get brought to a temporarily realistic level there will be another airline licking their lips to underbid you guys. Welcome to the regionals.

The Juice 06-10-2010 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 824498)
I think you are forgetting that you have defended this company in the past. How quickly we forget how naive we once were.

Pilots not getting compensated in any way, shape, or form and being asked to keep bending over to subsidize their constant abuse... as soon as your contract gets signed and pay and benefits get brought to a temporarily realistic level there will be another airline licking their lips to underbid you guys. Welcome to the regionals.

I defend the pilots, not the company. Your attitude is poor and has always been poor. Your problem is not with the Colgans of the world but yourself. Your attitude will only hurt you and your future plans


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