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Originally Posted by Fr8doggie
(Post 826207)
I thought that deal was gone, done, finito..?:confused:
It is done. |
Originally Posted by GordoCooper
(Post 826028)
Wow, you can hammer on my previous comment, but I think you are merely proving my point. The "it's not that bad" and "other's have it worse" is exactly what I am talking about. Several of you have already given up on fighting for a good contract. No, the 16 year contract was a turd, and no matter how much you polish it, it is still a turd.
As for those who say "the flow through is working" you must be kidding! Let's see, a total of 35 pilots will (oh wait, let's make sure they actually go first), but yes, 35 TOTAL pilot flow thru to AA. If this were proposed again on a contract based on flow thru and I said only 35 will go, is that what will do it to make you vote for another 16 year deal? I'm sure the next 35 senior CA's would like that, but the 3,000 or so others may see that as something they will never benefit from! Wake up! You got 35 pilots to go to AA and hundreds of F/O's are working well past the pay rate cap of 8 years. I am sure AMR loves the fact that a few of you AE guys are saying we have had a great deal. Especially with Spirit in a strike. They know the Eagle pilots will never strike because of no backbone! (even if it were allowed, which under the current 'great' contract, you can't strike) I still say, SELL SELL SELL. http://www.alliedpilots.org/Public/A...AEFTSenNum.pdf I lost count at about 300 pilots who have AA seniority. The intent of my original post was; AMR announced about 3 years ago that they wanted to sell AE ( not because of contract negotiations), and that some of us guys at OH would love to have your "16 year nightmare"...ask any OH guy here during the strike...they can backfire on ya'! Add in the 2-3 years of negotiating on the front and back-end of a 5-6 year contract, and you're staring at 12 years of relative uncertainty. Really not trying to push your buttons, just give you an outsider's perspective...some of us would kill for 300+ flow throughs to DL with no interview, no probationary pay, full-trip pay protection, pay that's only topped by Horizon, half the number of furloughs we had (all of whom are recalled + hiring + 22 new airframes) etc.... I know...no pilot group is ever happy...I'm sure there were guys @ DAL a few years ago making $300k who b@#%*ed about something!:rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by NoStep
(Post 826361)
WOW!! I must be misinformed about your contract...are you sure you're right about the TOTAL flow-through?:confused: According to the APA website, these are the seniority #'s that didn't take Eagle Rights (I'll try to attach here as a pdf, so you don't have to look it up);
http://www.alliedpilots.org/Public/A...AEFTSenNum.pdf I lost count at about 300 pilots who have AA seniority. The intent of my original post was; AMR announced about 3 years ago that they wanted to sell AE ( not because of contract negotiations), and that some of us guys at OH would love to have your "16 year nightmare"...ask any OH guy here during the strike...they can backfire on ya'! Add in the 2-3 years of negotiating on the front and back-end of a 5-6 year contract, and you're staring at 12 years of relative uncertainty. Really not trying to push your buttons, just give you an outsider's perspective...some of us would kill for 300+ flow throughs to DL with no interview, no probationary pay, full-trip pay protection, pay that's only topped by Horizon, half the number of furloughs we had (all of whom are recalled + hiring + 22 new airframes) etc.... I know...no pilot group is ever happy...I'm sure there were guys @ DAL a few years ago making $300k who b@#%*ed about something!:rolleyes: -35 Eagle pilots will be in class at AA at the end of June. -190 Eagle pilots will be called after about 80 AA furloughees (from the recent re-furlough) are offered classes and any additional stand-in-stead more senior AA furloughee that gives notice of intent to return. Although there are some 800 of these pilots, most probabaly wont be back prior to the 190 getting a class which will likely be at least until AFTER any new AA pilot contract. At least a year or two minimum. Many of these flowthrough pilots have approximately 2500 prefurlough AA pilots junior to them. -Aprroximately 300 more flowthoughs are entitled to flow to AA, but only after EVERY furloughee is offered a recall first. These pilots are at the very bottom of the AA senioirty list. -American, Eagle and ALPA must craft a new preferential hiring (not interview) agreement for another 850 or so Eagle captains for the future. Most of these captains have 15 -25 years at Eagle and make between 90K (a real slacker) to as much as 140K (a true player), so yes, it's been good for them. When you see an Eagle RJ taxiing around, there's a 90% chance the guy in the left seat makes over $100K/year, has a good schedule and is probabaly not complaining. |
Originally Posted by NoStep
(Post 826361)
WOW!! I must be misinformed about your contract...are you sure you're right about the TOTAL flow-through?:confused: According to the APA website, these are the seniority #'s that didn't take Eagle Rights (I'll try to attach here as a pdf, so you don't have to look it up);
http://www.alliedpilots.org/Public/A...AEFTSenNum.pdf I lost count at about 300 pilots who have AA seniority. The intent of my original post was; AMR announced about 3 years ago that they wanted to sell AE ( not because of contract negotiations), and that some of us guys at OH would love to have your "16 year nightmare"...ask any OH guy here during the strike...they can backfire on ya'! Add in the 2-3 years of negotiating on the front and back-end of a 5-6 year contract, and you're staring at 12 years of relative uncertainty. Really not trying to push your buttons, just give you an outsider's perspective...some of us would kill for 300+ flow throughs to DL with no interview, no probationary pay, full-trip pay protection, pay that's only topped by Horizon, half the number of furloughs we had (all of whom are recalled + hiring + 22 new airframes) etc.... I know...no pilot group is ever happy...I'm sure there were guys @ DAL a few years ago making $300k who b@#%*ed about something!:rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by eaglefly
(Post 826376)
Most of these captains have 15 -25 years at Eagle and make between 90K (a real slacker) to as much as 140K (a true player), so yes, it's been good for them. When you see an Eagle RJ taxiing around, there's a 90% chance the guy in the left seat makes over $100K/year, has a good schedule and is probabaly not complaining. But I know for a fact 90% complain. |
I have a quick contract question, then back on topic. I looked in the contract and could find no direct reference to this in either section 12 or 13: How many hours of rest do you get (in Domicile) between completing an assignment and starting a reserve assignment? I read that the flip-flop is 10 hrs. but nothing addresses this particular situation.
Thanks, PIPE P.S. And if you could provide the location in the contract too, that would be great!!! |
If it's any consolation, ASA being seperated from Delta was the best thing that ever happened to them. I know, apples and oranges. Just sayin...
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