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B00sted 06-25-2010 02:00 PM

July is the month the pilot group might get something done around here.

With lines averaging 93 hours, there isn't much room for guys to be picking open time up for 200%.

Oh yeah. Special thanks to the line holder that picked up the trip I had been JA'd or EXT'd for, at least I would have gotten a comp day and 150%. ME ME ME ME ME ME ME

flyprdu 06-25-2010 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by Inconceivable (Post 832116)
So the lifers with DUIs can get their 401-k's fattened up at the expense of junior FOs who will not be able to pay for medical care?

That's your proposal, Doug? I liked you better when you were still charlie-foxing the maintenance operation.

I wish I still worked there so I could offer you a lick of my all-day sucker.

Hilarious!

higney85 06-25-2010 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by TSioux55 (Post 832143)
RETORT??? From who, our tough MEC????:rolleyes:

Is this the part where I say "You are the union"? The company's propaganda is so far in left field I'm sure legal put the fist to their own forehead when it came out. Your MEC works for YOU. There is absolutely NO reason for this to get drug out on our account- your officers work for free and are at the same pay scale as the next guy.... That being said there is no way the MEC could agree to CONCESSIONS from TA1. Is that what you want? I know my phone has been on fire with guys telling me where they stand and I am right there with them. Maybe you feel differently- have you contacted your rep?

mooney 06-25-2010 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 832132)
Just wait for the retort. How was this ever allowed to be an "URGENT" crewtrac message from the same folks that brought the sick call policy last week? They are uniting the group against them. Their tactics are beyond me.

Well at least they didn't Fedex overnite it, signature required like thay did for the last one........and since i was expecting an important package and the fedex driver left the little "we missed you" note on my door I drove 45 minutes to the Fedex pickup that day to pick it up...only to find out it was a letter from Phil and the gang.....you talk about PO'd.....

1forflying 06-25-2010 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 832305)
Is this the part where I say "You are the union"? The company's propaganda is so far in left field I'm sure legal put the fist to their own forehead when it came out. Your MEC works for YOU. There is absolutely NO reason for this to get drug out on our account- your officers work for free and are at the same pay scale as the next guy.... That being said there is no way the MEC could agree to CONCESSIONS from TA1. Is that what you want? I know my phone has been on fire with guys telling me where they stand and I am right there with them. Maybe you feel differently- have you contacted your rep?

I hope the company propaganda is a joke that we were only negotiating retirement and 401K benefits for the top few. The match is actually kind of funny while being insulting as well. For those of you that don't know the match for 1-5 years of service is only 25% of the first 5% that you contribute. I contributed the 5% to get the match last year and that only equated to $320 that the company had to dish up toward my 401K.

Meanwhile, I keep getting a pop-up on our union website that Air Wisconsin gets 4% of their salary regardless if they contribute or not and they have a smaller pilot group (especially now that Colgan has joined our ranks). What are we doing to help the industry?

I was flying with a senior pilot (15 years at most regionals is senior) and he was bragging to me that while our negotiators were on the phone arguing about vacation slide to one of or senior management (who is involved directly in our negotiations, and happenned to be on speaker phone) , that it wasn't needed to get us to vote in a new TA. All we needed was a few small tokens and it would pass, undermining our negotiators and the pilot group as well.

challenger 06-25-2010 10:33 PM

This is the same Sh** that they have played over and over i was there from 06 through 09. Nothing changes STFD guys don't give in untill you get want you want. Also if any of you MSP captains remeber who i am i need a referance for a job and the Asst base manager is being him self. Wiggns if you are on here pm me if you would be willing to do something like that or any other captain that was or still is MSP based.

mooney 06-26-2010 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by 1forflying (Post 832342)

I was flying with a senior pilot (15 years at most regionals is senior) and he was bragging to me that while our negotiators were on the phone arguing about vacation slide to one of or senior management (who is involved directly in our negotiations, and happenned to be on speaker phone) , that it wasn't needed to get us to vote in a new TA. All we needed was a few small tokens and it would pass, undermining our negotiators and the pilot group as well.

FWIW from an evil spawn of satan senior guy, that CA and you are both sorely mistaken if you think our senior guys will give up an additional 4-6 weeks off a year that we will now not be getting with a well placed slide or buffer days...if that is indeed the case...

1forflying 06-26-2010 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 832541)
FWIW from an evil spawn of satan senior guy, that CA and you are both sorely mistaken if you think our senior guys will give up an additional 4-6 weeks off a year that we will now not be getting with a well placed slide or buffer days...if that is indeed the case...

Point is he took it upon himself to tell the company's negotiators what this pilot group would accept, thus circumventing our own union. Not a good idea.

mooney 06-26-2010 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by 1forflying (Post 832561)
Point is he took it upon himself to tell the company's negotiators what this pilot group would accept, thus circumventing our own union. Not a good idea.


theres an idiot in every crowd. :) probably the same open time ***** who gives copies of things said on the company message board to mgmt.

PinnacleFO 06-28-2010 04:08 PM

chew on this boys and girls!
Maintenance job at Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. - A&P Mechanic LGA/JFK
So when does the vacancy or displacement come?


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