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JoeMerchant 08-21-2010 06:58 PM

Time ALPA to put up or shut up! (Comair)
 
There are rumors floating around that CMR may be headed towards even worse days. I don't know if they are true, but the tea leaves don't look good. If we are a true union, it is time to start acting like one.

CMR has had a target on it's back since the strike in 2001. Despite what the ALPA cheerleaders say, it wasn't really a success. 89 days after the strike started, the final agreement wasn't much more than the "last, best, final agreement" prior to the strike.

During the strike, ASA flew CMR airplanes. During the strike, ALPA carriers DAL, ACA, and ASA flew CMR passengers through different hubs.

After the strike, CMR flying has been parted out to other ALPA DCI carriers.

It is time for the ALPA chest thumpers and cheerleaders to put up or shut up....I intend to bring a resolution to the floor of the next 112 LEC meeting to ask that current CMR pilots be given priority hiring WITH THEIR CMR DOH for bidding purposes.

Either we are one together or we aren't...A national seniority list may not be possible, but this certainly is.

Rez...PCL128....Nevets...Will you support this or won't you?

Don't ask people to fall on their swords "for the profession" if you aren't willing to back them up.

I'm looking for people who will bring similar resolutions to the floor of their respective LECs. This is the time to decide if we really are a "brotherhood".

Stay tuned for more....

JoeMerchant 08-21-2010 08:09 PM

Email address has been established:

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This IS NOT a decertification effort. I am looking for people to support LEC resolutions to give CMR pilots preferential hiring WITH THEIR CMR DOH.
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joethepilot 08-21-2010 08:39 PM

Keep dreaming. Even the Mesaba pilots that just got "hired" (transfered) at 9E didn't get to take DOH for bidding. Even though they now work for effectively the same company.

Justdoinmyjob 08-21-2010 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 859132)
During the strike, ALPA carriers DAL, ACA, and ASA flew CMR passengers through different hubs.

Didn't know that Comair was selling tickets under their own code. I thought that all the passengers were Delta passengers. As far as flying struck work, that didn't happen.


Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 859132)
..I intend to bring a resolution to the floor of the next 112 LEC meeting to ask that current CMR pilots be given priority hiring WITH THEIR CMR DOH for bidding purposes.

While admirable, even Don Quiotxe would agree that it probably won't work. Are you pushing for this at ASA only, or nationally with any ALPA carrier?


Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 859132)
..I'm looking for people who will bring similar resolutions to the floor of their respective LECs. This is the time to decide if we really are a "brotherhood".

More than likely, you would see the splintering of ALPA into numerous in-house unions if this actually gained traction.

dosbo 08-21-2010 09:07 PM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 859164)
Didn't know that Comair was selling tickets under their own code. I thought that all the passengers were Delta passengers. As far as flying struck work, that didn't happen.

It's a shame Delta didn't just decide it was easier and cheaper to fly the passengers themselves, since the passengers did buy Delta tickets. If regional airlines had to fly under thier own paint I'm sure passengers would be asking more questions about who is actually flying the aircraft.

Nevets 08-21-2010 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 859132)
There are rumors floating around that CMR may be headed towards even worse days. I don't know if they are true, but the tea leaves don't look good. If we are a true union, it is time to start acting like one.

CMR has had a target on it's back since the strike in 2001. Despite what the ALPA cheerleaders say, it wasn't really a success. 89 days after the strike started, the final agreement wasn't much more than the "last, best, final agreement" prior to the strike.

During the strike, ASA flew CMR airplanes. During the strike, ALPA carriers DAL, ACA, and ASA flew CMR passengers through different hubs.

After the strike, CMR flying has been parted out to other ALPA DCI carriers.

It is time for the ALPA chest thumpers and cheerleaders to put up or shut up....I intend to bring a resolution to the floor of the next 112 LEC meeting to ask that current CMR pilots be given priority hiring WITH THEIR CMR DOH for bidding purposes.

Either we are one together or we aren't...A national seniority list may not be possible, but this certainly is.

Rez...PCL128....Nevets...Will you support this or won't you?

Don't ask people to fall on their swords "for the profession" if you aren't willing to back them up.

I'm looking for people who will bring similar resolutions to the floor of their respective LECs. This is the time to decide if we really are a "brotherhood".

Stay tuned for more....

I support this 110%! A couple of years ago when DAL tried to get rid of Mesa and XJT was ramping up their flying with DAL as a new DCI carrier, I had a conversation with our MEC chairman and he was in total agreement that if XJT got any of their aircraft we would try to convince management to take a commensurate amount of pilots onto the XJT list with seniority in return for basically having a turnkey operation. This is the whole thrust of the ALPA Fee For Departure Task Force - career progression protection.

dojetdriver 08-21-2010 11:00 PM


Originally Posted by dosbo (Post 859168)
It's a shame Delta didn't just decide it was easier and cheaper to fly the passengers themselves, since the passengers did buy Delta tickets.

Well, there WAS that old joke; "The only reason DAL exists in CVG is to feed COMAIR"

And for those that ACTUALLY flew in and out of CVG at the height of COMAIR's operation there can understand it.

Jay5150 08-21-2010 11:02 PM


Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 859132)
During the strike, ASA flew CMR airplanes. During the strike, ALPA carriers DAL, ACA, and ASA flew CMR passengers through different hubs.

Just so I'm clear..

You're saying that DAL flew struck work....

tell me where I'm wrong here. Beyond the fact that the flying belonged to DAL in the first place....okay, we'll forget that. You're now telling me that the picket line that I walked in MCO with the ComAir guys and gals in 2001, The line that I walked, even in my own furlough, is being thrown in my face.

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dojetdriver 08-21-2010 11:06 PM


Originally Posted by Jay5150 (Post 859193)
You're now telling me that the picket line that I walked in MCO with the ComAir guys and gals in 2001, The line that I walked, even in my own furlough, is being thrown in my face.

Just curious, but who were you on furlough from in the summer of 2001? I don't remember DAL furloughing till AFTER 9/11.

Jay5150 08-21-2010 11:08 PM


Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 859132)
I intend to bring a resolution to the floor of the next 112 LEC meeting to ask that current CMR pilots be given priority hiring WITH THEIR CMR DOH for bidding purposes..

With who???

On who's seniority list??

If ever the young ComAir guys wonder why there is animosity between ComAir and DAL, ...you should stand up and raise your hand.

I've been trying, on a personal level, to give the ComAir guys the benefit of the doubt. With this post, Joe...I'm done. Anything I can do to keep any ComAir guys out, I'll do.


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