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Originally Posted by bailee atr
(Post 869473)
Under the new NPRM rest rules 700am -1259 starts have the longest duty time per number of flight segments. Looking for efficiency I imagine the company will have most lines start at 700am the first day of a trip. So much for commuting in on the same day to work!!!:confused:
You think that is the shaft???? You must not have read the entire thing. "...under today’s proposal, carriers would need to develop and implement an internal evaluation and audit program to monitor whether flightcrew members are reporting to work fatigued.... A carrier would be required to take steps to correct any fatigue problem that it identifies. For example, if the carrier became aware that flightcrew members were commuting during their WOCL, the carrier could require that all flightcrew members spend the night prior to starting a series of FDPs within the local commuting area. The carrier could also implement other measures to address problems associated not only with commuting, but any behavior that could lead to flightcrew members reporting for FDPs unfit for duty.... Carriers are entitled to investigate the causes for an employee’s fatigue. If a carrier determines that the flightcrew member was responsible for becoming fatigued, it has every right to take steps to address that behavior." The FAA does believe that it is unreasonable to assume that an individual is resting while commuting. Accordingly, time spent commuting, either locally or longdistance, is not considered rest, and a certificate holder will need to consider the commuting times required by individual flightcrew members to ensure they can reach their home base while still receiving the required opportunity for rest. |
how do you define commuting? Obviously a 2 hour flight to base is but what about the hour drive to the airport? What about the people that drive 3-4 hours to a base since there are no direct flights to the base from their home? Also what about show times that occur during the WOCL (0200-0600)? They cant force everyone to live with in 10 minutes of their base. If they did that all the PHL based airways guys would be shot. You cant force people to live in base, if they did most people would tell the company (and the faa) to take this job and shove it
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Originally Posted by Killer51883
(Post 869601)
7am starts thats crazy late if you work for an RAH carrier!
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the carrier could require that all flightcrew members spend the night prior to starting a series of FDPs within the local commuting area. << so they re going to buy us hotel rooms now?? :rolleyes::rolleyes: this $hit is never gonna fly what s gonna happen is is some kind of annual memo that we all have to sign saying we should all be aware of the effects of fatigue and commuters must be rested iaw FAR91 bla bla bla... problem solved, the FAA will be happy.. yet they're ok with flying us 10hrs / day.. how rested would they be at the end of a 10 hr flight with NO break (2 pilot crew) doing an approach in fog/snow/slippery rwy/ mountainous terrain/night.... don t they say most accidents happen during the approach and landing phase of flight.. remember there s no reading/napping/etc.. in the cockpit, you must seat still and look at that PFD for 10 hrs useless *******ing agency... and where is ALPA on this??? |
Been there, done that, still kickin'
It's not that big a deal. |
I find any focus on commuting comical, to say the least. Why pick on only those who commute by air? Really? Some people in my base take a 1.5hr flight to base, some drive in 2-3 hours for each trip. I don't see why this makes any kind of a difference what mode of transportation is used to arrive in base to report for a trip. For that matter, I've been in-base and had rest interrupted due to the idiot neighbors setting off fireworks/etc, while my long-commuting captain is rested and functioning well.
FAA and industry need to drop this and focus on what they CAN control: what happens between report and release from duty. But never mind that, it's easier to pass additional burden off onto the crewmember in their personal life. |
Just bid for trips that start after 1pm. That's what I use to do when I commuted. Never once did I have to fly in the day before. Even with the new rules the all airlines can't possibly build ALL their lines to start early. There will always be pm trips.
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Another option
There are these really cool things called "hotels". You can pay for a room the evening before your flight and be fully rested for your trip. Amazing!
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Originally Posted by frozenboxhauler
(Post 870150)
There are these really cool things called "hotels". You can pay for a room the evening before your flight and be fully rested for your trip. Amazing!
fbh |
Originally Posted by frozenboxhauler
(Post 870150)
There are these really cool things called "hotels". You can pay for a room the evening before your flight and be fully rested for your trip. Amazing!
fbh
Originally Posted by hypoxia
(Post 870152)
You obviously never flew for an airline that paid so little where you struggled to tip the Van driver or eat Top Ramen that day.
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