Republic guys...
 

How senior is DEN?
If hiring would to start today...would DEN be hard to hold?

most senior base, several years to hold it as an FO

Ha.. I remember when Republic guys were being displaced out of DEN a while back with frontier. Now they own it. Funny how things turn out in this business.

thanks for the info

Is Republic projected to hire anytime soon?

I wouldn't expect any hiring here anytime soon. Waiting on an arbitrator to come back with the SLI decision. When that's out and it's determined who is actually coming here and who's not, we may have a better idea.

DEN is just about the most senior base we have as it's our furthest west base.

Do not come here! You will be flying a 100 seat aircraft for poverty wages! The 100 seat arbitration results came out today, and we lost to BB and his goones.

how much for the 100 seat aircraft were u guys lookn for?

I heard they were "99" seat planes... :p

Did you actually expect a different result? I personally thought the captains had a chance at a raise, but the first officers pay is based on "all jet aircraft." You are also looking at probably close to 5 years until you see a new contract if not longer.

Why would you even want to work there? You want to fly an E-190 from MKE-LAX for $23-37/hr?

What a joke.:rolleyes:

Actually, Local 747 union leadership got the arbitrator's ruling on August 4th but didn't want to tell the membership until now.

That's not even the worst part of working here. It almost seems like management wants us to have poor qol. Furthermore, the top dogs of this company go out of their way to belittle their pilots while preaching unrelated Christian religious ethics in company material.

They work us like dogs, treat us like kids, pay us crap and expect us to be Jesus Christ.

Stay away!

I agree with this, but it's a way to get some quick PIC time. The upgrade time was less than 2 years a few years ago.

That ruling can carry some serious consequences since the arbitrator basically said it's a "turbo jet" pay scale and not a per seat pay scale on the FO side. Bedford is now free to put E-195s (or new Airbus deliveries) on the Republic side and not pay the FOs anything more. Sure he'll have to pay the captain's a little more but even if the captain's E-195 wages (or new Airbus deliveries) ended up matching the E-190 wages at B6 (as an example) he'll still have a huge cost advantage on the FO side.

All the more reason the SLI can't be derailed and a for JCBA to negotiated quickly that is closer to the F9 contract.

And that - in a nutshell - is why this industry is in the toilet. Pay me crap wages, it doesn't matter, I get quick PIC time. Sad.

Thats how it always was.

The means of getting to the goal has differed with the times, however the principle remains. At first it was mail runs, then military, then cargo, then commuters; today its the regionals.

This seems to be the normal thinking over on your side. Spewing incorrect information that is so far off it's laughable. Before you give out false advise use the search button and educate yourself.

What do you mean on my side? I'm not employed by F9 or RAH.

What's wrong with wanting to see a JCBA (modeled after F9s) and a SLI? Do you honestly think that staying separate from the RAH side will help you?

If this is true:

Then there is no legal reason why Bedford has to give a raise to RAH FOs since anything larger than a E-190 is still a jet aircraft. Whether that be C-Series, E-195, or new delivery A320s. Why on earth would he give new aircraft to your side when he can give it to the other side, paint Frontier on the side and pass it off as the same thing, just with $37/hour FOs.

If the above statement is true about "all jet aircraft" that is very disturbing. You are of course free to do what you want but if their is still a faction at F9 that wants to remain separate, they do so at their own risk.

So why aren't the Repubic pilots refusing to fly the Q-400 since they have no turboprop payscale?

the Q is another mess. the company is intent on adding airplanes to the Republic certificate, returning the lynx certificate along with adding the lynx pilots to fly the airplane. once again this is in violation of our contract regarding integration of fleets and certificates prior to the SLI being complete.

so the real question is why Lynx pilots aren't refusing to fly the Q which has no payscales.....

Well, no one refused to fly the E190 so why would they refuse to fly the Q? Yeah, I know....it has 99 seats so they have to.

Apparently your IBT local met with the Republic management and are ok with it.

We have pay scales for the Q, really low but we have them.

Beat me to it.

They are probably just going to give the Lynx guys their same pay scale, but now they'll all be "new hires" again since they are on the RAH certificate now.

http://trinity2.files.wordpress.com/.../pinocchio.jpgThis is a lie. Either you are telling a lie that you made up or you are telling a lie that someone told you. Either way, you are telling a lie.
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Nope, if you have a dog in this fight look into it.

I agree, but the line has been shifting towards bigger and bigger jets. I have no problem with a newbie building time in a turboprop that pays accordingly - you start small and get paid small, then you move up after paying your dues. But what's happening here is that folks are starting to "pay their dues" in a mainline aircraft, in exchange for "quick PIC time". When I was at the regionals, my "quick PIC time" came in the form of a 2 year upgrade to a J32 - not to a 99 seat jet flying MKE-LAX, or wherever. It paid crap, but that was a regional back then. This is most definitely not.

Somebody is lying. My source is scanned copies of letters specific to this issue, with signatures, exchanged between the union leadership and the company's lawyer that directly contradict your allegation.

What is your source?

It is flying on the YX certificate. All YX flying is to be done by pilots covered by RAH CBA. Lynx pilots are not on the RAH SL yet. They cannot fly the Q if it is on the YX certificate. They should then refuse to fly the Q that they are not qualified to do. There are no provisions to have 2 separate pilot groups under in airline certificate. For Lynx to fly that is divisive and illegal and wrong. This is why they should refuse the flying as they are HELPING bust up the RAH CBA/pilot group.... they are helping MGT in a war AGAINST the pilot group by refusing to follow CBA.

It is amazing how you justify your shortcomings but show no tolerance when others do the same thing. Divisive and illegal and wrong are very strong words. Thankfully RAH pilots and the IBT are righteous and beyond reproach so you can educate the rest of us.

Exactly, getting a taste of their own medicine.

Sucks when you get screwed doesn't it?

The irony of my post is that the same wheel keeps going around and around and around. People will ***** when it's against them and then defend it when it helps them. i don't really care what happens it doesn't affect me, i am not RAH. i am glad to know that the new EXCO is starting to make a change and be more open. maybe it will trigger expedited arbitration for a new CBA or something as it should be classified as a major violation or dispute. We will see what happens. my buddy said that Midwest asked for 2 more days extension on the SLI closing briefs... and those guys *****ed about RAH dragging feet.... irony.

This is a little scary. Hopefully it doesn't take 5 years, but when we get the SLI finished and get approved for single carrier status, we will need to get the IBT out of there. You want it to take 5 years, stay with the IBT.

Vote RAPA

There is no YX certificate.

This from a guy who is stealing jobs from the Midwest pilots. You're a real class act.

the ATA code now =Republic Airlines Inc., hence the YX certificate

read all the posts first ,I said i wasn't RAH....

There is no YX certificate. It was turned in to the FAA. I didn't think it was possible but, ostensibly, you can have an ATA code (YX) without an air carrier certificate.

I've read with my own eyes a .pdf copy of the unions official response to the company wanting to do this. Perhaps you should do some digging yourself.