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EWRflyr 10-06-2010 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by shfo (Post 879991)
I actually got that clearance once at night after a long day and I stumbled a little on the read back.

Also you are always cleared to land unless told otherwise. Once I was coming in to 22R and tower was busy getting guys off 14L. I couldn't get a word in. Finally over Target, I said we are over target for 22R in a expedited voice. The controller said you are always cleared to land and you are always cleared to taxi to your gate if it is open. If it is not open you are cleared to taxi to the box. If I see a safety conflict with any of those we will tell you to do something else.

Poor RVR comes to mind and all sorts of frightening consequences. "Always cleared to land" if I break out at mins on a CAT 3 approach and can't see what's ahead of me on a runway with no word from the tower? I don't think so.

onetogo 10-06-2010 07:14 PM


Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 880819)
Poor RVR comes to mind and all sorts of frightening consequences. "Always cleared to land" if I break out at mins on a CAT 3 approach and can't see what's ahead of me on a runway with no word from the tower? I don't think so.

Huh? No such thing as "breaking out at mins" on a CAT 3, right? :confused:

EWRflyr 10-07-2010 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by onetogo (Post 881074)
Huh? No such thing as "breaking out at mins" on a CAT 3, right? :confused:

Actually, not all CAT3 approaches are to 0/0. CAT 3A and CAT 3B require SOME visibility to legally land. I probably wasn't clear in my description.

onetogo 10-07-2010 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 881201)
Actually, not all CAT3 approaches are to 0/0. CAT 3A and CAT 3B require SOME visibility to legally land. I probably wasn't clear in my description.

Yes, they do have a minimum RVR to perform the approach but technically there are no "minimums" on a CAT III approach...

BigGuns 10-07-2010 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by JetPipeOverht (Post 879942)
That place is a GD nightmare and you're advocating people to keep the rig moving, I get it but really ask yourself is it that wrong that someone doesn't want to get violated ?

Moving away from a runway would not get you a violation. Ground issuses taxi "instructions" not "clearances". Unless you cause a runway incursion, which would be a deviation of a clearance, it is not possible to get violated on the ground while moving away from a runway. You have not been issued anything, instruction or clearance...

BigGuns 10-07-2010 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by onetogo (Post 881339)
Yes, they do have a minimum RVR to perform the approach but technically there are no "minimums" on a CAT III approach...

Only CATIIIC... There is still a RA min that you need to see the Runway by on a CAT III A & B, and a min RVR. The A/C and Pilot must be qualified for CAT III A B & C separetly.


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