UAL/CAL and ASA/XJT Scope Question
10-20-2010 | 07:41 PM
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UAL/CAL and ASA/XJT Scope Question
The instructor discussed this today in RGT, I was wondering if anyone else had some insight/thoughts in this area:
Is it true that if/when the UAL/CAL merger takes place, CAL's scope on XJT's 50 seaters will be null and void since UAL does not hold their United Express carriers to the same restriction? This would then allow XJT (or soon to be ASA if the merger goes through) to operate aircraft with more than 50 seats under the new UAL? If this holds true, and the demand is there, then would XJT be free to acquire ERJ170s and ASA operate CRJ700/900s under the future UAL?
Is it true that if/when the UAL/CAL merger takes place, CAL's scope on XJT's 50 seaters will be null and void since UAL does not hold their United Express carriers to the same restriction? This would then allow XJT (or soon to be ASA if the merger goes through) to operate aircraft with more than 50 seats under the new UAL? If this holds true, and the demand is there, then would XJT be free to acquire ERJ170s and ASA operate CRJ700/900s under the future UAL?
10-20-2010 | 08:19 PM
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It would be interesting...wouldn't it ? 
Don't believe Instructor hype btw...they're in that position either by choice or omission but are some completely honest, smart, and candid people you'll ever meet here at ASA...
Don't believe Instructor hype btw...they're in that position either by choice or omission but are some completely honest, smart, and candid people you'll ever meet here at ASA...
10-21-2010 | 03:31 AM
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The instructor discussed this today in RGT, I was wondering if anyone else had some insight/thoughts in this area:
Is it true that if/when the UAL/CAL merger takes place, CAL's scope on XJT's 50 seaters will be null and void since UAL does not hold their United Express carriers to the same restriction? This would then allow XJT (or soon to be ASA if the merger goes through) to operate aircraft with more than 50 seats under the new UAL? If this holds true, and the demand is there, then would XJT be free to acquire ERJ170s and ASA operate CRJ700/900s under the future UAL?
Is it true that if/when the UAL/CAL merger takes place, CAL's scope on XJT's 50 seaters will be null and void since UAL does not hold their United Express carriers to the same restriction? This would then allow XJT (or soon to be ASA if the merger goes through) to operate aircraft with more than 50 seats under the new UAL? If this holds true, and the demand is there, then would XJT be free to acquire ERJ170s and ASA operate CRJ700/900s under the future UAL?
10-21-2010 | 04:28 AM
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The instructor discussed this today in RGT, I was wondering if anyone else had some insight/thoughts in this area:
Is it true that if/when the UAL/CAL merger takes place, CAL's scope on XJT's 50 seaters will be null and void since UAL does not hold their United Express carriers to the same restriction? This would then allow XJT (or soon to be ASA if the merger goes through) to operate aircraft with more than 50 seats under the new UAL? If this holds true, and the demand is there, then would XJT be free to acquire ERJ170s and ASA operate CRJ700/900s under the future UAL?
Is it true that if/when the UAL/CAL merger takes place, CAL's scope on XJT's 50 seaters will be null and void since UAL does not hold their United Express carriers to the same restriction? This would then allow XJT (or soon to be ASA if the merger goes through) to operate aircraft with more than 50 seats under the new UAL? If this holds true, and the demand is there, then would XJT be free to acquire ERJ170s and ASA operate CRJ700/900s under the future UAL?
CAL's "scope clause" is in their contract, and allows nothing over 50. UAL's "scope clause" does. The merger means they will have to negotiate a joint contract, incorporating the two. Now both MECs have stated publicly that they want to eliminate ALL outsourcing, which I think everyone sees as pure posturing. My prediction is that they will freeze the current numbers above 50 and not allow them to be renewed when they expire.
However, in a merger, contracts do not become "null and void"!!!
10-21-2010 | 04:36 AM
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The instructor discussed this today in RGT, I was wondering if anyone else had some insight/thoughts in this area:
Is it true that if/when the UAL/CAL merger takes place, CAL's scope on XJT's 50 seaters will be null and void since UAL does not hold their United Express carriers to the same restriction? This would then allow XJT (or soon to be ASA if the merger goes through) to operate aircraft with more than 50 seats under the new UAL? If this holds true, and the demand is there, then would XJT be free to acquire ERJ170s and ASA operate CRJ700/900s under the future UAL?
Is it true that if/when the UAL/CAL merger takes place, CAL's scope on XJT's 50 seaters will be null and void since UAL does not hold their United Express carriers to the same restriction? This would then allow XJT (or soon to be ASA if the merger goes through) to operate aircraft with more than 50 seats under the new UAL? If this holds true, and the demand is there, then would XJT be free to acquire ERJ170s and ASA operate CRJ700/900s under the future UAL?
Reality check:
CAL/UAL are negotiating a joint JCBA and I seriously doubt that they'll give up any more scope. UAL has 1400+ furloughs and no 737s. CAL has recalled all of their 147 furloughs and still has their 737s (even the 737-500s for the time being).
The huge disparity in the number of furloughs is a direct result of large RJs replacing the entire 737 fleet at UA. There is not a very good chance the new UAL/CAL pilot group will relax scope more and allow them to replace a bunch of the CAL 737s and allow the furlough of hundreds (thousands?) of pilots.
They *could* get CAL scope with the current UA Express flying grandfathered in until the contracts expire and then go to the CAL scope. Or they might get a freeze on the size of the large UA express fleet.
If hell freezes over and they relax scope then it's game over for what is left of this profession. No one should be excited about E-Jets or more CRJ-700/900s at regionals.
10-21-2010 | 05:58 AM
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Not true, why would CAL's scope just become null and void?
The 'new' pilot group will negotiate a new contract with the new airline.
10-21-2010 | 06:23 AM
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10-21-2010 | 06:27 AM
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As I said there will be a JCBA so assuming that CAL scope just goes away is ridiculous.
